Okay, I'll clarify. My argument wasn't to prove my position right but to prove yours wrong. And if anything you’ve strengthen my position, thank you. You stated before that Christians believed homosexuality unnatural and then attempted to prove it by animal evidence. I stated what most people really believe when they say homosexuality is unnatural, which, if true, means you began your argument on the wrong track. That argument doesn’t make any sense towards the end; I’m not even sure what you are trying to say. Christians believe that homosexuality is unnatural, because God says it is, not because it really is. That definition is without merit without proof of God’s existence. There are so many problems with the theory of God its hard to believe in him sometimes (I do), but I believe that since Jesus never spoke about homosexuality in the NT and since so many Christians ignore many of the value judgements in the old testament, homosexuality is about as valid as not cutting your hair. But, again, there is at least one difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals, in that homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. You assume these people exist in the first place, which imo they don’t. There isn’t a homosexual or heterosexual out there, they choose which one they act on, or alternatively there are varying degrees of heteo/homo feelings. Whether this is a disorder or not, and how severe, depends on an individual's own beliefs. That’s absurd, one’s beliefs doesn’t change objective fact. Do you even know what nonsense is coming out of your mouth? If it’s a disorder, it’s a disorder no matter what the hell you believe. This is the KEY reason why hard core Christians and homophobes cannot be taken seriously, they are ignoring facts for what they choose to believe is true. After all, a similar case arises with pedophila. A grown man or women is sexually attracted to children. The general public calls this attraction a disease because the attraction seems to us dangerous and harmful. Homosexuality of course is not nearly as dangerous as pedophila, but the general form should apply. Pedophilia unlike homosexuality, or heterosexuality harms the children it goes against the harm principle, and even if the child consents to the sex the child does not understand what it really entails. Now here you are assuming that homosexuality is en par with pedophilia and not heterosexual sex, I make no such distinction because they are one in the same. All the nonsense you are saying is merely showing how indoctrinated you are by society, and its “moral” tenants. I don't see this going any where. Animals are different from us in many ways. They don't speak, they don't wear cloths, they don't have any code of conduct. Why muts what is natural to them be natural for us? Cloths? Whatever that may mean, I assume you mean clothes? That is also unnatural, there is a reason we have body hair, secondly code of conduct of course they do, although its not written its there, that is the instinct of survival, if that wasn’t there all animals would die. What is natural for them is natural for us because we are animals too, we are merely more advanced animals and we have animal instincts as well and repressing those leads to unnatural results, like homophobia. Also there is debate as to whether Whales, and Dolphins have a language…so let’s not be so egocentric to believe we are so different. Spain didn't kill 10's of millions in the Inquisition. I wasn’t talking about the Inquisition, and the Inquisition also shows how sick “Christian” morality can be. Hitler was originally raised a Catholic, but in his later years he was not a practicing catholic; in fact his regime persecuted the Christian church. He used our Christian God on numerous occasions to excuse his actions. So what? Read his interview in table talk. It was all a sham. He remained quite silent of his anti-christian beliefs , but it was only to wait for a politically opportune time. Sham or not, it shows how people use God when it fits them, like religious conservatives in the US, they are against Gay marriage, but for tax cuts that make people poor. Think about it…it’s all Bull Shit.