The Ethical Warrior

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by S.A.M., Apr 3, 2009.

  1. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Bomblet, actually: it's a submuntion, carried in large numbers in a container (which is itself normally bomb-shaped), called a cluster bomb.
    May or may not be explosive, but usually is.

    WTF?
    Where did that price come from for a normal bomb?
     
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  3. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    You don't take it apart, SAM. You merely spin yours to counteract the spin of theirs.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats one technique. Projection.

    So much better to force people to think than give them an opinion.
     
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  7. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    If someone walks up to you with a gun and demands your wallet are you going to say no?
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. But I'll make sure I get bigger guns to go after him and recover what I can.
     
  9. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    Revenge is a dish best served cold, and all that jazz.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ah no forgive, no forget and all that jazz?

    Seems like the kid agrees with you.
     
  11. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Did you go to Iraq then ?
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The difference is that large bombs are usually dropped in order to destroy large strategic targets. Even if non-combatants are killed in the process, the practice can be considered ethical if the action was in pursuit of a legitimate threat.

    People that attack a non-combatant deliberately one-on-one are less ethical because they know who will be killed, and they know they cannot be considered a threat.
     
  13. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    Forgiveness I can do, but I don't think forgetting the past is generally a good idea.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    To discover how ethical bombs are? Or to discover how unethical insurgency is?

    Wasn't necessary.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So is it ethical to kill children who will grow up to occupy your lands and be a strategic legitimate threat to your nationhood?
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It depends on the circumstances, which you always like to ignore. If children happen to be killed in pursuit of a legitimate threat, it is a tragedy, but not unethical, as long as they are not the targets, and all practical precautions were taken to avoid civilian casualties.

    If children are simply taken out and shot because you think they will grow up to be a threat to you, that is murder, and highly unethical.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So if I bomb a school where there are many children and one probable terrorist, is it ethical?

    Not a threat to you, per se, but a threat to the stated goals of nationhood. A legitimate one.
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That is a tricky one, probably not, but it could depend on how dangerous the terrorist is, if the terrorist is known to be in the process of a terrorist attack that could likely kill more people than the number of children present (biological or nuclear attack), and wether it is practical to send special forces in to get them.


    That is unethical, since no one knows what a child will grow up to be. This is a modern notion, as warriors in the past (both western, Islamic, Asian, etc...) did consider children to be a future threat. That why they sometimes (like the Babylonians) wiped out the entire population, man, woman, and child, as well as salting their fields and destroying religious artifacts.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    An Arab child would still be a demographic threat. Many of them, even more so. For example.

    Like nuclear bombing of cities.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Not really. Israel has many Arab families. They set up a political system where a simply majority does not necessarily rule, you have to align with other parties to form a government, and this practically prevents Arab parties from gaining significant power.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    As long as they are a minority.

    So by the premise of the thread, what if the situation is looked at from the other end?

    Is it ethical to kill Jewish children to get to a majority where you can gain significant power?

    What is the "ethical" way to deal with this legitimate threat?
     
  22. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    the nature of the modern age.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    This can be considered ethical where the offending country is engaging in total war with you. When there is an industrial city, with all it's workers is actively building armaments to use to eliminate your country, and you cannot effectively eliminate that threat without risking many of your own warriors, you just have to vaporize them. This is a very rare situation.
     

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