The Emergence of Crackpots from the SciForums Space-Time

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by BenTheMan, Mar 17, 2007.

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  1. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Certainly. Everything is affected, right down to the sub-atomic level.

    They slow down. The GPS satellites have to be continually updated to make up for the microseconds that they loose. Enough is lost to affect their accuracy if they aren't. However, those (no need for names) that refuse to accept time dilation as a very real event probably don't believe this fact is true either.
     
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  3. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Everyone who says "woo-woo" should be banned for three days. I'd sure as hell do it.
     
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  5. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Spoken like a true woo woo.
     
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  7. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Please try to be more intelligent and in touch with reality than your avatar, Towelie.
     
  8. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Spoken like a true woo woo.
     
  9. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Please try to be more intelligent and in touch with reality than your avatar, Towelie.
     
  10. Singularity Banned Banned

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    Ya sure but isnt it actually due to the fact that the nucleus of the atom bang on the outer shell of the atom.

    Now thats not time dilation, or else my refrigerator will become much more efficient time dilator.

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  11. Farsight Valued Senior Member

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    Singularity: acceleration doesn't "cause" time dilation. Yes you need acceleration for the twins to get back together and see that one has experienced time dilation. But it's the different velocities that "causes" the time dilation. You can see this if you run the Twin's Paradox scenario twice, both with the same accelerations, but one with a much longer coasting time.
     
  12. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    I think that the time displacement causes the acceleration.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it does. Of course, general relativity could be all wrong.

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  14. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    You've got atoms and M&M's confused in this post...
     
  15. Singularity Banned Banned

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    How can i confuse them when i have never even heard of this M&M's ?
     
  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Yup, part of the "lies to children" teaching of science... but Singularhilarity needs to catch up.
     
  19. Singularity Banned Banned

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    So no chance of nucleus being bombarded by the electron surrounding it ?
     
  20. Singularity Banned Banned

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    So does your junior high says anything about what exactly ticks in a atomic clock ?

    Or did u just pick it up as rag pickers pick crap going around thrash.
     
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  21. Tom2 Registered Senior Member

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    Wow, this thread sure has evolved.

    There are two different uses of the word "shell" at play here, methinks. Oli's hard "outer shell" and Ophiolite's "outer shell" (of electrons) aren't the same thing. The outer shell of electrons in QM is just the set of electrons with the highest principal quantum number. The Bohr model disagrees with QM on just which or how many electrons are in the outer shell, because the Bohr model handles angular momentum incorrectly.

    Only for s-wave electrons does the wavefunction not vanish at the nucleus. For all higher angular momentum states it does vanish at the nucleus.
     
  22. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Wouldn't know, as "junior high" (whatever that is) is decades behind me. Having seen the level of "science education", or what passes for it in loads of school kids these days, they probably get told it's hamsters running in wheels.

    Never seen anyone pick up thrash.
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Nicely clarified. Thank you. It saved me the effort.

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