Math & Physics Fortuna, Thanks for your post. I perhaps am not an elegant speaker. My point is, I understand mathematics are necessary and useful, but it does appear that physics is going more and more to mathematical concepts and offers no pyhiscal view of what that means. My position is prompted more by String Theory, TOE's that suggest an (11) dimensional universe. I don't contest that the mathematics for such a view may not lead to an algorithum that properly links all forces. I believe that may happen but what I don't see is any effort to translate that in a physical reality. (11) dimensions may well be that reality but I have the strongest suspicion that that isn't even close to the truth.