Math is the essential ingredient of comprehension in physics Oh, and as a sidenote: I think we should also seperate maths from physics... I hate mathematics <HR> The above is what drive chroot, Ron, JR, and lethe crazy. Physics and Math are born from the same cradle. There would be no high math without physics, and there would be no understanding of Physics without high math. I suck at math, but I'm studying, and I don't hate it. I want to understand, therefore math is required. The limit of my understanding of mathematics will be the limit of my understanding of Physics. Conceptually, physics would make no sense without math. You don't always have to crunch the numbers to understand the functions, but it helps get an idea of how motion relates to time using examples. If you can't model the trajectory of a basketball into a hoop with some degree of realistic comparison, you will certainly be lost trying to comprehend why motion and time have a quadratic relationship that can flower into daunting equations when doppler shifts, gravity, inertia, and friction come into play at common 'Earth' speeds. Then, when you try to analyze motion at relatavistic speeds, you are lost in a soup of nonsense, without tangibility. Mathematics do not model reality perfectly. We gain understanding of reality through mathematics. These forums need people like Warren, JR, lethe, and RDT2. I just wish there was a way to make sure they always gain something from the arguments that ensue with people like me, who often pose hack theory, thinking we are already on the right track.