The Computational Theory of Mind

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Nunayer Beezwax, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that some aspects are irrelevant, but you seem to think it highly relevant that the TT questions be allowed to range over the full space of human knowledge and not a sub-space. If you shift ahead in time 100 years the space of human knowledge will be much large. Then you would claim that limiting the TT to only the knowledge that was available in circa 2000 is not allowed. Likewise go back to Turing time -the space of human knowledge was less than half as large as now.

    My point is that in any era there exist a larger set of human knowledge than in a prior era. You are also insisting that it is ok 100 years from now to use a limited knowledge space for the TT so long as it includes the knowledge of 100 years earlier. You have a very temporally provincial POV if you insist that exactly the space of human knowledge that we now have is required for a TT and a smaller, more limited space of knowledge, cannot be used for the TT. As you are in this silly position with your current POV, I think you should change it and admit that meaningful TTs can be done within limited knowledge spaces.

    I thought we agree that the TT shows nothing about "thinking." Are you changing your POV?

    I agree that as the "knowledge space" utilized is reduced the TT is both easier to pass and less interesting. To illustrate with an extreme example: if the knowledge space were restricted to the binary sums and difference possible with the first 10 integers then my hand calculator can pass that TT.
     
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  3. noodler Banned Banned

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    http://www.ams.org/bull/2006-43-03/S0273-0979-06-01108-6/S0273-0979-06-01108-6.pdf

     
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  5. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    But this is incorrect.
    Actually the idea of a limited Turing Test is a quite common in the field of AI, and for obvious reasons. It is referred to variously as a Limited, Specialized, Focused, Restricted or Narrow Turing Tests and found the following. This is only a small % of the uses of limited forms of Turing Tests out there.

    Psychology patient
    http://www.pbs.org/safarchive/4_class/45_pguides/pguide_403/4543_turing.html
    Emotion
    http://www.ryerson.ca/~dgrimsha/courses/cps721/TuringConclusion.html
    A reference to the current status of AI in relation to Turing Tests
    http://books.google.se/books?id=sKn...wBA#v=onepage&q="limited turing test"&f=false

    One in reference to a work on Neural Networks that specifically refers to Limited Turing Tests.

    http://www.heatonresearch.com/articles/1/page4.html

    A Prize that includes a Limited Turing Test Category

    http://www.temple.edu/ispr/examples/ex03_02_26.html


    from another article
    http://desuntcetera.com/blog/the_turing_test_and_philosophical_zombie/

    http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/16.4.1.htm
     
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  7. Algernon Registered Senior Member

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    I will in due time read through this thread as I am going to work soon.

    And especially the link posted by Billy T, as I've recently been reading into the Churchland couple theories.
     

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