Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by lixluke, Oct 14, 2006.
The TRUTH is out there.
(The age-old paradox. How does one justify knowledge?)
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i just want to live simply...i want to let go of everything there is tying me to this world...
Hiv can help.
but...what proof is there that Hiv exists when I myself dont have proof of my own existence? When this world can be as insignificant as granules of sand on the ocean floor?
I'll give you a hint. There are numerous sites out there that have gathered the evidence and when they gather it the evidence shows that HIV is not proven to cause any disease. Your funny mumbling does not impress me. Neither do statements like "show me proof and not your dippy sites." How fucking stupid do you yoyos think I am?
There are numerous of posts out here that have gathered the evidence that shows MetaKron may or may not exist. None of them prove of your existence? Do you exist Metakron?
Which furthers your "argument" exactly how?
I never had an argument, there is no proof that I ever did have any argument, is there? There is no proof there is AIDS or MetaKron or anything in this world and even no proof of the world itself.
How it started:
Characteristics of a retrovirus.
It was not one of the known retroviruses known to operate in the same cells.
The new virus was shown to be able to kill T lymphocytes in vitro already at this stage.
And then the famous picture arose.
And this was merely a start. Only a moron would dismiss 25 year old data (that was perfectly acceptable back then and now) and ignore at the same time all the subsequent data. A pubmed search on HIV gives 200,000 hits alone.
HIV is well characterized. It is not a figment of someone's imagination and I suggest you come up with some real criticism instead of 'I don't believe'.
Criticise real data.
Dragon seems to be spouting with fire to fuel the flames of an argument, oblivious to any rationality and stated facts, and I'm amazed at how his nonsense has kept this thread going for so long. Just amusement I guess.
anyone who denies existence of HIV, when given obvious pictures of HIV...and than says whats the prove that it is HIV...when that picture is...that person is insane. so yeah with my proof of everything I am not really going any further with the argument, but it is as insane as anyone who says that HIV doesnt exist.
Yeah. Like I said. You're not really interested in learning how a virus is identified and isolated.
You made a rhetorical question and would not have appreciated an answer.
And now you're trying to change the subject. You had been claiming that hiv has not been isolated and now you've switched back over to hiv doesn't cause aids.
Just so you know. I started to write responses to your posts several times and just stopped myself halfway through because I know that there is absolutely no point in speaking with you.
That was when I decided to just ask if you really would like an answer or not. You've answered exactly as I thought you would. You do not want an answer.
Arguing with Metakron is like... makes me wish I was one of the kids that pushed thing up his pooper when he was a child.
That's how we get swindled, Monkey. All that gobbledygook that you posted ads up to "we think they have the same virus because we can culture similar proteins from their sera." Even worse, they don't seem to be able to say that they are the same proteins, but proteins of a similar molecular size.
This is just one more example of pathological science. They say that there is some chance that they are all the same, therefore they just be HIV. Someone like you says I am a moron if I don't believe that it is HIV, just to push it past the place where any sane person would have doubts. People who support HIV, and who are supported by HIV, have told me this countless times without realizing how stupid they sounded.
Just shut up.
I think they still stick things up his pooper to this very day. In fact, to hear him tell his tale, I think the kids who shoved stuff up his pooper back in school raised their children to shove stuff up his pooper today.
Someday it'll be the grandchildren shoving stuff up his pooper.
It's a pity he's too broken to have children. Then the pooper shoving could go on for generations on both sides of the fence. After he's gone, the bully family will have to find another pooper to shove things into. I doubt they'll ever find such a willing pooper as Metakron's.
What a genius, Invert. You're the one who told me that it was "incredibly stupid" to quote the material that is distributed by the manufacturer of AZT.
Nope. Not me.
I called you incredibly stupid because of that very stupidity that you demonstrated when characterizing scientific papers as 'gobbledygook'.
I knew that you were going to, so I wasn't surprised.
That's not the issue.
You're just an incredibly stupid person.
And the thing is that you're obviously intentionally stupid. You have a brain and are intelligent about some issues. But you are blind, purposefully blind, in so many other areas.
This is one of them.
That's why there is absolutely no point in discussing this with you.
The only point would be if someone impressionable appeared to be swayed by your emotional arguments. Then, rather than addressing you, the point would be to present the evidence to that impressionable someone and let them judge for themselves.
But, since nobody seems to be listening to you at this juncture, there's no need to even bother with you.
Hmm. I am curious though. Why is it that you feel comfortable believing the material presented by the manufacturers of AZT but don't feel comfortable believing the voluminous literature on hiv and aids?
I actually know why. It's because you judge based on emotion rather than logic.
But I wonder if you are able to see the hypocrisy of your stance?
spuriousmonkey: good post.
The only mystery is this thread is still going.
I discuss and look so much into personalty effects, disease-type and indicated medication programme (esp. those which are not yet become absolute, complete or atleast persistent and can have much possible adversties) for my problems.
I feel there should be some persistence, absoluteness (free from imperfection) or completeness in medications & theories which can be with much possible adversities. As such, Doboule blind placebo controlled (DBPC) studies or trials, for life long or in few generations, with and without medication, may only be the possibility to decide any such medication programmer as absolute, persistent and final. Alas! how can it be practical esp. under current environment with much lagalities etc.
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