The Big Fish Bowl

Discussion in 'World Events' started by J.B, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. J.B Banned Banned

    It is said a fish's size is limited to the size of the bowl it lives in. It seems that Americans have created a very large fish bowl and people who are not American's are injoying these waters:

    Foreign-born women have higher fertility rates in the United States compared with women from the same countries back home, according to a new report.
    On average, women from the top 10 immigrant-sending countries have 2.9 children here in the United States, compared with 2.3 children per woman in their home countries -- a 23 percent difference, said Steve Camarota, research director for the Center for Immigration Studies, who wrote the report.

    He said the difference is particularly true of Mexico, which accounts for 40 percent of U.S. immigrants. Mexican women in the United States have an average of 3.5 children, compared with 2.4 children for women in Mexico.
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  3. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

    Outbreeding and dominating with culture has always been a useful tactic. It's one of the "non-violent", highly effective, and highly overlooked means of warfare.

    Heck, this is what China is doing to Russia to grab more land, it's what the Palestinians are doing to Israel to reclaim their land, and it's what the Mexicans are doing to the U.S. to reclaim their land as well.

    Without trying to sound like some white supremecist racist, that's what's going to be the downfall to the "white" race. We're going to be outbred and the so-called "minorities" are going to take over through sheer numbers. Nobody ever remains superior. As Dylan says "For the loser now will be later to win, for the times they are a-changin'." Is that a bad thing? Who knows. Let's just hope whoever becomes the majority doesn't further run the world into the ground.

    - N
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  5. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    Good for them!
    They can obviously enjoy a better, healthier life here.
    We should invite more in.
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  7. travis Registered Senior Member

    The Israelis have a way of preventing this and keeping their master race pure:

    Chinese workers in Israel sign no-sex contract

    Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
    Wednesday December 24, 2003
    The Guardian,00.html

    Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.
    According to a contact they are required to sign, male workers may not have any contact with Israeli women - including prostitutes, a police spokesman, Rafi Yaffe, said.

    He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and that no investigation had been opened.

    An Israeli lawyer who did not want to be named said while the contract might appear legal, it would be rejected if challenged in court. "The point is that a Chinese worker will agree to anything and then will not have anyone to help them if there is a problem," he said.

    The labourers are also forbidden from engaging in any religious or political activity. The contract states that offenders will be sent back to China at their own expense.

    About 260,000 foreigners work in Israel, having replaced Palestinian labourers during three years of fighting. When the government first allowed the entrance of the foreign workers in the late 1990s, ministers warned of a "social timebomb" caused by their assimilation with Israelis.

    More than half the workers are in the country illegally. Israeli police have increased efforts to deport those working without permits because of rising Israeli unemployment, which has reached 11% in recent months.

    Advocates of foreign workers, who also come from Thailand, the Philippines and Romania, say they are subject to almost slave conditions, and their employers often take away their passports and refuse to pay them.

    Analysts say there is much division within Israeli society over immigration and status, although the conflict with the Palestinians has given it an appearance of unity. Recent immigrants such as Russians and Ethiopians are disliked by older immigrants, and there is much resentment among secular Israelis at the privileges given to ultra-orthodox Jews. The foreign workers are at the bottom of the pile.
  8. Light Registered Senior Member

    I'm not sure exactly what point you are making here, but the reasons for it happening are both simple and clear.

    Greatly improved pre- and post-natal care, a healthier environment and better nutrition.
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    Well you didn't succeed. You do sound like some white supremacist racist. You started out talking about Americans, who are a nation. You ended up talking about white people, who are nothing more than a group with one vaguely similar physical characteristic and an even vaguer ancestral relationship.

    Condoleeza Rice, Spark Matsunaga, and Cheech Marin are indisputably Americans even though they're not "white" by your definition. America has absorbed and assimilated every people who have come here and there's no sign that we're going to stop.

    In fact we're getting better at it. Immigrant groups used to retain their ethnic identity for a couple of generations--long enough for even medium sized cities to have a "Little Italy" or a "Chinatown." Today the intermarriage rate of immigrants is astoundingly high by historical standards. Apparently they love us and we love them.

    All of our children will be Americans and carry on America's ever-changing traditions. It won't matter what their skin looks like.
  10. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

    What I mean is the simple fact that most of the leaders, and populace in this country are, well, white. Not only that, but most whites are in charge. White people, in general, are also having less and less children these days whereas other races continue to pump out a fair amount of babies. And isn't this what this topic is about? So once the current people in charge die out and retire, who happen to be white, we'll have more of a racial selection to choose from to fill their shoes as they continue to outbreed us until the minorities of today become the powers that be.

    Now hey, if most of the people in our country weren't white, and if whites weren't the ones being outbred, then I wouldn't have made it sound like some racial issue. It's just a simple fact that most people in this country are white. It's why I can talk about "America" and then also speak specifically about "whites" when it comes to this country. Speaking about whites and America is no different than speaking about Chinese people and China, even though other ethnicities live there. I'm not gonna be politically correct but rather state the facts. If you wanna get your panties in a bunch over some PC lingo, go ahead and cry about it.

    At least now I've learned not to put some sorta disclaimer in one's post because then it becomes some sorta "bullshit, he's lying" target.

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    - N
  11. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    Neildo, I think it's not what you pointed out, rather how.

    You make it sound like it "Us vs, Them".
    You likely do not mean it this way, but the wording you selected sounds like you see it as a competition and we are losing ground and need to be careful or change our approach somehow.
  12. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

    Well it *is* an "Us vs Them" (or rather, "them vs them") scenario, for those in charge. Do you honestly believe the "white people in charge" would want anyone else to be? Heck, it's already bad enough not wanting anyone else other than those in the same family to be in charge, let alone those of the same racial, political, or monetary group. They *do* feel "minorities" to be inferior, why else would they be called that?

    But hey, that'll all change once they become the minority through being outbred. America will belong back to Mexico, Israel will belong back to Palestine, and lord knows what'll happen with India and China (although China has the same preventions whites do with their limited reproduction so they may falter to another race or country such as India).

    So yeah, I could have worked on my wording, and I apologize for that, but I intentionally worded it that way to prove a point, but it just backfired making me sound like I'm part of that same group (I am white, however, I don't hold the same view) I'm making accusations of.

    - N
  13. Light Registered Senior Member

    There's quite a bit of truth in what you're saying. Even though it's been a long time since the 1960s, there's still a large number of Caucasian people who feel threatened by other races. It was Black at first, then Mexicans were added to the list, and now Asians as well. The backlash against Blacks has lessened considerably over the years but is now being directed toward the other groups more and more.
  14. Gustav Banned Banned

    fucking mexican half breeds
    who the hell are they anyway?
    fucking wannabe colonistas thats what
    them and their nativistic pretensions
  15. Gustav Banned Banned

    the "other" was never exclusively defined by race
    the anglos felt threatened by all new immigrant groups at one point or another
  16. Light Registered Senior Member

    That's not necessarily correct. Yes, there were a few scattered problems with Europeans but by and large they were accepted without much a problem. Why? because they didn't look any different. If a fellow from Poland or Ireland was on the street, no one really noticed because they looked like everyone else. Especially 2nd generation. But the same cannot be said of Blacks, Mexicans, or Asians.
  17. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    Sorry, Light, you are wrong about that one.
    Look at NYC (where the majority of immigrants came into this country) at the beginning of the 20th century.
    Every new wave of immigrants experienced horrible discrimination and oppression by the PRIOR wave of immigrants.
    They had to take the crap jobs if they could find jobs at all.
    Most of them ended up forming gangs and turning to crime to make ends meet, which, of course, brought them further insults and discrimination.
    Once a new wave of immigrants came in, that prior wave was bumped up a notch, got "real" jobs and let the shit roll downhill.
    It happened to the Irish, the Italians, Polish, Russians, Germans, Puerto Ricans...
    It is still happening.
    If you want to know what the latest wave of immigrants to hit the city was, hail a cab.
  18. Light Registered Senior Member

    Nope, not wrong. NYC was one of the major exceptions I was talking about. You didn't see those problems when the Dutch moved into Penn. and Wisconsin, the Germans into Ohio and Michigan... I could go on and on.
  19. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    I disagree.
    Just about every town and city I have been to has ethnic sections if there is a mix, and they want it to stay that way.
    If a wave of Russians move into Polish section or town, they get treated like foreigners there to bring down the community.
    They are outsiders.
    They are there to steal their jobs, and date their daughters.
    Those no-good alcoholic bums!
    They are different religiously, culturally etc. and "different", far too often, equates to "worse".
    White may just look white to you, but show a Pole a Russian, and he will know the nationality (even before the Russian speaks).
  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    The reason they refer to Lancaster County as Pennsylvania Dutch Country is because it was (and to some extent still is) homogenous.
    The Dutch did not move and peacefully integrate into a largely Albanian section of Pennsylvania. They SETTLED a large section of Pennsylvania.
    It was the same story for much of the ethnic European area of the country.
    The Germans who settled in Minnesota in the late 1800's were largely homesteaders settling entire communities (many of which are STILL largely Germanic).
  21. J.B Banned Banned

    If that was the case then the birth rates for ALL people would be the same.

    In my opinion, I believe this is one example of why some country's are "third world" country's. It is a case of maxing out and abusing resources, the birth rates of Mexican women could never be achived in Mexico like they are in America.

    In America they have the American people to help share the burden, the American people have a "first world" country because they have not maxed out or abuse there resources.
  22. Light Registered Senior Member

    An incorrect assumption. The reason it's not true is that the majority of Americans started limiting the size of their families quite sometime ago.
  23. J.B Banned Banned

    That is my point, as I wrote just above your comment:

    "the American people have a "first world" country because they have not maxed out or abuse there resources".

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