The Big Bang: Science's Greatest Blunder?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by dkane75, Dec 20, 2007.

  1. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Just for the record, in every post I made regarding this, I said

    ...The earth in an oblate spheroid...

    and kaneda simply refused to say "Oh yes, you're right..."

    This is an insight into his psyche. Take it for what you will.
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's VERY typical of him - and just one reason why I've started to ignore his garbage posts. He probably doesn't even know what an "oblate spheroid" is.

    If everyone would just start doing what I'm now doing (ignoring him), he would quickly fade into oblivion where he rightly belongs. (Hint, hint.) For a while, it was rather fun shooting down all his uneducated nonsense but that's grown old now since he's totally incapable of learning.
     
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  5. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Yep. You're probably right. We'll see...
     
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  7. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Look, Big k, there are certain things, like the behavior of photons, and the time dilation of non-comoving "things" and the QM violation of Bells inequality, that are experimentally shown to be true. This isn't a matter of belief or just agreeing with someone. These are fundamental facts of nature as we now know it.

    So the real quetion is, how can you debate with someone who decides to disagree with what nature shows us and how it actually works?

    To be honest, the few people I know that are like this are simply too egotistical (no offense) to accept that nature might have the audacity to behave in a way that dosen't fit their idea of logic or "common sense".

    Your problem here is not that you have new ideas on things, but that you arer basing many of them on the premise that certain already known and demonstrated facts of nature are somehow wrong?!?!

    Do you really wonder why we are dismissing you as a crank, loon, or troll?

    I'm still not sure what you are (per LosFomoT's assessment above). Maybe you're a "C", whatever that is?
     
  8. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Look. Read your own paragraphs. You just raised as many questions in your second paragraph as you did in the first. Look at all the "maybes" in your second paragraph.

    Inflation provides a mechanism for explaining what we observe. Not an explanation of why. Very few times in science, especially at the fundamental level, do we get to know why. Bothers you dosen't it?

    But there is evidence for this "stupid" fudge. There is good independent evidence that the expansion of the universe is accelerating! Weird.

    The problem is that you are invoking tons of "maybes" regarding the fundamental behavior of light.

    You may be right. There may be some incredibly fundamental mistakes about light. But unless there's some compelling evidence for such a problem, you look elsewhere. That's how new physics are discovered (like dark matter and energy).
     
  9. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    I used oblate as in flattened at the poles since the Earth is not prolate.

    The people in white coats told me about your psyche, you naught boy!

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  10. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    superluminal. My second paragraph:

    Your quote:

    What maybes from me?

    Inflation is little short of a fairy story. Nothing "in" space moves faster than light so space does not expand faster than light. It's own structure is self-limiting. Space does not split up into little lumps and then join together at a later date, so inflation is nonsense. Expansion can't decide whether it wants a 3D or 4D expansion, because neither work for it.

    Evidence that the universe is expanding faster comes from Type 1A supernovae which are NOT a standard candle because they are NOT standard. Duh! So no evidence.

    LosfomoT is an irrelevance. He comes here to whine about something he clearly knows nothing about and to insult people. A troll by any definition.
     
  11. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    superluminal. Time does not exist as a dimension so no time dilation. Entangled particles are just stored memories and how you read them. Fundaamental facts? Not really. Conclusions based on effects.

    Feel free not to debate with me. No loss since you merely quote the text book so not debate anyway.

    Sure the BB is correct. Not.

    If a dog barks at me, do I take notice of it? I have already dismissed a number of people on this forum so their barking is merely boring.
     
  12. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Is this like the last time you lied about ignoring me? You are SO predictable RO. Don't make promises you can't keep.
     
  13. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    losfomoT. Explain how light in space bends when travelling near a massive object without utilising space.

    Since we do not float off into space, that proves that invisible demons are holding us down. An explanation of an effect is not necessarily the right one.
     
  14. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    You're a fucking liar. You never said the word "oblate" in any of your posts.
     
  15. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Gravitons?

    General Relativity does a great job describing gravity. Incredible actually, as it is accurate to within about as close as we can confidently measure it. But GR only explains the effect of gravity, it does not explain the cause (mechanism).

    There are a few possibilities, and these are being explored. When science knows more, I'll know more. (And you will have more to dismiss as being stupid).

    If you are looking for a pseudo-scientific possibility, I always liked the idea of some sort of pressure (from particles or something) that pushes on everything in all directions. It is pushing on us right now in all directions, but it is pushing less from the bottom because the Earth is blocking some of that push, so we are being pushed more in the downward direction, which is why we are being held down (by demon particles). But this idea has a lot of problems, and has been pretty much dismissed. If you like the idea, you can read about it HERE.
     
  16. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Have you read Don Quixote ?
     
  17. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Kaneda,

    I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on a problem for which I have never heard an explanation. It is this : As photons are particles , how do they escape from a lightbulb ?
     
  18. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Myles,

    It's a shame to see someone as clearly intelligent as you descending to some 'others' level. It is well known that photons escape light bulbs through tiny holes (I like to think of them as little hatches) in the glass of the lightbulb. The "hatches" open and close when the photon's electrogravitational magnetospheric charge envelope interacts enough with the magnetohydrodynamic flux receptors on the little hatch.

    Sheesh! Am I the only one that gets this stuff???
     
  19. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    @dkane75
    Hum,
    i am not a philosopher so i cant comment; but frankly, i sense that it is perhaps better if we all share a common language or terms.
    ie There is no point is saying you have the answer to some problem and them not be able t communicate it to other people.
     
  20. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Party Pooper ! Let me have a little joke before he drives me nuts.
     
  21. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    If you are not a philosopher, how would you describe yourself ?
     
  22. superluminal . Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry. I didn't mean to give away the magic mini hatch theory of photon/lightbulb escapage.
     
  23. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I'm glad to see that someone recognized that dkane75's idiotic post was nothing but sheer nonsense and had no place in this thread. THANK YOU!
     

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