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Do you think Iraq is the only government the US has overthrown???

haha...you really are something.

 

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How refeshing that Buffy is finally ditching delusions of "spreading freedom, democracy, protecting civilization, fighting immoral enemies etc" while really, by his admission, the US are screwing over other countries for self gain "because that's World Politics". Is there a country with entities as insidious as the CIA, and troops stationed in over 130 countries - that has repeatedly go involved in the internal affairs of countries from Latin America to the Far East? And you're supposed the be the good guys.....

 

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I wouldn't have a problem with maintainting some kind of diplomatic relationship with a dictator, as long as we aren't just setting them up for a fall in order to prop up our own military/industrial complex, for profit.

 

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Amen!

Yeah during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

 

I know! US overthrew Nazi Germany, USSR (Thru the Arms & Space race), etc.

 

So why did we overthrow Saddam again? Oh, right, we no longer needed an opposition to Iran, since Bush is such a badass commander we can overthrow them, too, no problem.

 

1) The US did not single-handedly overthrow Nazi Germany.

2) The USSR overthrew itself.

 

Interestingly enough, guess who put the current Iranian leaders into power?

 

I don't think anyone has a problem with a country doing what's in their best interest, however, in the case of the U.S., we flip-flop more than Bush and Kerry. We support a group, then later attack em for doing what we allowed them, and even helped them, to do. But the kicker? When we get people like you that say "oh, the U.S. never did such a thing" such as what you're doing by trying to say we never supported the Taliban, lol.

The ignorance of the people is more annoying than the actions of the government, because at least those manipulative actions from the government are kind of expected; but when we have people like yourself denying the facts, well, that speaks for itself.

- N

 

At that time, or for all of eternity? Would you expect a nation to be able to read the future and to know exactly what's going to happen 1,000 years into the future? And if they don't, then they shouldn't act?

Again, would you expect a nation to know exactly what some group was going to do or be in the future? I mean, surely no group or group leader would lie, right?

People change; things change; events cause other changes. If a nation waited to act until they knew for sure everything that would happen in the future, nothing would ever get done.

The goals of the Taliban changed; the Taliban changed; events changed; the world changed;.... No one can be expected to see the future.

Neildo, you and others have a strange and annoying habit of armchair-quarterbacking, and assuming that the world didn't change over time. You and others look back and then proclaim your expertise in seeing exactly what happened and why ...just like all armchair-quarterbacks of the world.

Baron Max

 

Exactly Baron. Hindsight in always 20/20 as they say.

 

More believable without the SOA and CIA trained death squads and asylum given to past dictators who played ball.

 

Yeah, perhaps it's better to do it just like Indian police ....right out in the open and with immunity from prosecution! You like that better, don't you, Sam ....I mean, you defend your nation as a wonderous nation of peaceful, non-violence, right? ...LOL!

Baron Max

 

They were hoping they would turn out slightly more democratic! We all make mistakes. And like its been said here many times before, times change, agendas change , and the people and society change.

 

To exchange a democratically elected government with a shah in the hopes of creating a more democratic turn out?

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We had hopes that things would turn out differently than they did.

Spurious, no nation on Earth can possibly hope that every decision they make will turn out for the best for all concerned. To think otherwise is to be both naive and stupid!

And worse of all, is to play armchair-quarterback and hold a self-righteous indignation over events of which no one could have known. No one knows the future, yet most of y'all seem to think that the USA somehow should be able to do so. That's just ignorance and self-righteousness ballooning!

Baron Max

 

How did you think toppling a denmocracy would lead to democratic values? Thats not "wishing" things turned out differently in hindsight - thats plain stupidity!

 

For all of the history revisionist, please post the date certain when the organization known as Taliban shows up on the world seen? the earliest reference that I can find is 1994, and it was Pakistani Intelligence, that was the father and supporter of that organization, because it served their national interest.

 

Maybe the present democratic system wasn't really democratic, like the Hussein regime in Iraq, or Muhabee in Africa.

 

It was liberals like you, Jimmy Carter and the liberal left cut support for the Shah of Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, because his government was supposed to have had such a bad human rights record, well lets check the human rights record of the present government of Iran, SAVAK just went to work for new masters, Religious one's this time.