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hypewaders

But here we are not talking about the cold war, we are talking about Iran, and Israel, major players, and the rest of the middle east as minor players, and in the end the super players, the U.S. Russia, and China, it will be started with the major players, suck in the minor players, and then the Super Players, Mushrooms on the Horizon anyone? And remember the Soviet Union and the U.S. had sane nontheocratic leadership, not a Theocratic Government lookin for the Mahdi, Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran, and this is what you say, is a man looking to deterence?
One of the first acts of Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well. The most remarkable aspect of Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace, and Ahmadinejad will create this chaos and war to pave the way for the Mahdi.

The Earth is a geochemically differentiated planet. Early in its evolution it underwent extensive melting, during which dense metallic elements and metal sulfides settled to its center to form Earth's core. Accordingly, a number of metallic elements, including gold, cobalt, the platinum metals, and nickel are very badly depeleted in the crust. To make matters even worse, the accessible reserves of a number of minerals, especially the metals, are very unequally distributed within the crust. For example, 99% of our planet's known crustal reserves of the platinum metals are located in southern Africa or in Russia. These same areas contain 98% of the world's manganese ore, 97% of the vanadium, and 96% of the chromium. When we make steel, we use manganese from the Republic of South Africa and Gabon, and chromium from South Africa and the Russia. High-performance jet engines are made of alloys containing cobalt from Zaire. A wide range of industrial catalysts and corrosion-resistant coatings are made from platinum-group elements, which also are supplied mainly by South Africa and the Russia. For each of these vitally important resources we are far more dependent on the Soviet Union and South Africa then we are upon OPEC for petroleum. The cobalt market has already undergone one episode of price volatility reminiscent of the heyday of OPEC, and we can scarcely place our trust in the unfailing stability and goodwill of these suppliers. Would the Russia look with favor on an American request for enough titanium to build the B-1?

While a South Africa-Russian cartel boggles the mind, and is surely not a near-term likelihood, we must bear in mind the great emphasis the Russia places on infiltration of southern Africa. South Africa, how enthusiastic would the United States be about the prospect of defending it against sabotage, inciting of rebellion, and guerilla infiltration by Cuban-trained troops from neighboring Marxist states? Many of the deep mines in South Africa are very vulnerable to sabotage, and many of the mineral sources in other southern African nations are dependent upon relatively fragile transporation links with the outside world.

 

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"can you predict the future events, like what is going to happen if we pull out of Iraq? "

American soldiers will stop dying for nothing.

"tell us what is going to happen, you have the experience"

There will be a civil war, much like the one I experienced first-hand in Lebanon.

"what does the future hold for the U.S. and the Middle East..."

That depends on many choices. Beneficial US policy encourages calm, not fear and loathing.

"...Iran..."

-Has her own ethnic issues to deal with, and a young population yearning for a more moderate secular government. Turning down the heat will encourage such a change. Turning up the heat will further empower the charlatan politico-mullahs.

"Israel"

Israel will have less opportunity for overt involvement in Kurdistan with America out.

"...Syria..."

Syria is no threat to the interests of the USA, nor will it become so when the US withdraws from Iraq.

"...the world?"

-Will as a whole be much more comfortable dealing with the USA on every level, when we turn away from the failed Bush Doctrine.

"will our pull out end the terrorist jhade, of the Radical Moslems? "

It will remove a lot of fuel for it. It has never been a thriving movement, just a murderous one.

"will peace and brotherhood break out across the world"

No.

"we all end up singing cumbia?"

That might be do-able. Let's try: Sing with me now, BR as I am singing this out my open window (first night of Spring! WOO HOO!) at the top of my lungs:

I CAN'T HEAR YOU, MAGGOT!

Oh well, I tried. You win on that point. So it's nyet global Kum ba Yah. It would never have been popular anyway, judging by my neighbor's (and dog's) response.

"please prognosticate for use humble ill informed, the best interest of the country."

No need for prognostication. Consorting with dictators is like singing out of key; like being Oval Office balls (you know, Hanging out with Dick and Asshole); like putting your hand on a hot stove.

Like, don't you get it?

"here we are not talking about the cold war, we are talking about Iran, and Israel, major players, and the rest of the middle east as minor players, and in the end the super players, the U.S. Russia, and China, it will be started with the major players, suck in the minor players, and then the Super Players, Mushrooms [bla bla...]"

That's all very intriguing. Let's get back to whether dictators are good for America.

 

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hypewaders

And civilians will start dieing, in greater numbers in Iraq, and in the Towers here at home, and the airlines in the sky, and in Europe, Asia, any were the disease of Radical Islam has spread it sick twisted ideology in the world.

No I don't think it will be anything like Lebanon, this one will spiral out of control as the major players get sucked in, Israel, and Iran, Saudi Arabia, and then we will have to go back and start all over again, and lose even more troops.

And now we have hypewaders claming first-hand experience in Lebanon, come on hype you your self told me that you were on Nuke Boats, making holes in the ocean, a linguist, now you claim to be a hero in Lebanon?

 

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"civilians will start dieing, in greater numbers in Iraq, and in the Towers here at home, and the airlines in the sky, and in Europe, Asia, any were the disease of Radical Islam has spread it sick twisted ideology in the world."

Someone's prognosticating, Lord. Have mercy.

"I don't think it will be anything like Lebanon"

I think it will be very much like Lebanon.

"and then we will have to go back and start all over again, and lose even more troops."

Like in Lebanon? Not this time around. Someone's learning, Lord.

"And now we have hypewaders claming first-hand experience in Lebanon"

Yes we do.

"come on hype you your self told me that you were on Nuke Boats"

That was later. I grew up in Lebanon. Then I joined the Navy. I was a Cold-War Russian linguist, 688 boats & Spain. Then I grew up some more.

"now you claim to be a hero in Lebanon?"

Nope. Nothing heroic. I was a dumb teenager, thought war was fascinating, except when it was scaring the shit out of me, and shredding good people and beautiful places. Can we get back to discussing our dictators now, or do you just want to dictate the discussion.

 

hypewaders so now hypwaders grows up in Lebanon?

Why you are discussing thing with what you claim to be 20/20 hind sight, if what we did in supporting dictators who were friendly to our Country and Cause was so bad, then show how it affected the course of our country and the course that would have taken place if we had not been in support of those dictators. As of my post #601 I have shown how not supporting them has put our country in the position of not having a secure supply of strategic metals, in that we now have to depend on unfriendly marxist government in the south of Africa, a unfriendly democratic government, South Africa, and the Soviet Union, for our sources of these metals, not in the best interest of our country, and in having to buy these materials from these countries, which means that we are still in the process of supporting dictators, I thought that isn't good according to you, now show were we can get these strategic metals in the amounts that are needed for our security needs and economic needs, that can't be endangered in a crisis situation? And explained why it is OK for Russia, China, Cuba, and the North Koreans to install and support these dictators, which they believe is in the best interest of their countries to do so, and not for us to do the same, we are now at a tactical and strategic disadvantage if a major world crisis develops between the U.S. and any of the countries from the Russian, Chinese sphere of influence.

 

"I have shown how not supporting them has put our country in the position of not having a secure supply of strategic metals"

You have? Exactly when have we been in such a position? Specifically what dictator saved the day for us, providing specifically what exclusive material?

"we now have to depend on unfriendly marxist government in the south of Africa"

South Africa? They seem friendly to me (family had a great holiday there last week) and they are not a Marxist government nor economy.

"...and the Soviet Union"

Um, the USSR is gone, BR.

"in having to buy these materials from these countries, which means that we are still in the process of supporting dictators"

Let's see: One country that is not a dictatorship, and another that doesn't exits. Please try again.

"now show were we can get these strategic metals in the amounts that are needed for our security needs and economic needs, that can't be endangered in a crisis situation?"

Everything can be endangered in a crisis situation. That's why we call them crisis situations. Our unstable dictators often create crisis situations. Are you trying to construct a ridiculous argument? Please try again.

"why it is OK for Russia, China, Cuba, and the North Koreans to install and support these dictators"

What dictators? Please be specific.

"we are now at a tactical and strategic disadvantage if a major world crisis develops between the U.S. and any of the countries from the Russian, Chinese sphere of influence."

Because of a dictator gap? We've got to catch up with the commies and build a bigger stockpile of dictators? You're joking, right?

 

hypewaders
I was hoping that you would do just what you have been doing, I can now show that you don't know what your talking about, and just want to hammer President Bush, and the United States.
Gabon, Angola, Zaire, Namibia, and Mozambique, are all functioning democracies since 2000, and have been supported by the Bush Administration since he took office, Zimbabwe is the only country that seem headed for a dictatorship as of this time, The Republic of South Africa, has always maintained it democracy.

Now lets look at the history books, the United States has helped many countries to recover their democracies, or form new democracies, since the Spanish American War, when we helped liberate Cuba, Guam, and the Philippines, in WWI we helped Germany to become a democracy, which the rest of Europe with their reparations and stripping of the German economy helped to shove into a Nazi controlled nightmare, we supported a Dictator the was arguable worse than Hitler, to defeat Nazi Socialism, in the Best Interest of our Country, and in the end gave West Germany a strong democratic government, that has lasted to the present day, We gave Japan the same thing a strong democratic government that still functions, and both of these countries are allies today. In Korea we helped to establish a government that has become fully democratic, and a strong ally, and would have done the same in Vietnam had we seen the thing through, Now the Monroe Doctrine, we under this doctrine pushed out the Europeans Colonials, and helped many of these countries become independent, The Soviets started their wars of liberation/ installment of Communist government, to try and out flank us in the cold war, and in response we supported any government that was friendly to us just as we supported the Soviets in WWII, because it was in our best interest, and now that of these Communist take over attempts have been crushed, we have helped in the establishment of Democracy's in Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Panama, Nicaragua, and others that I have forgotten, all in the best interest of our country, In the best interest of our country we have done what was necessary, made new democracies, and supported dictators, and in the end established democracies against the dictators when they were no longer needed, That is the history of our Country, and was done in the best interest there of.

 

Revisionist history.

 

What the hell is "intrest"?

 

samcdkey, you should know, your the expert at revisionism, you can revise anything to a anti-American statement.

 

http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/interventions.htm

 

samcdkey, Anti American Blog as usual.

Now name a country that isn't a democracy in the list that I have named, and that we didn't help establish and support?

 

Hahaha! Like the British colonised the world and established democracy?

Pretty quick to get rid of them, weren't you?

I'm sure Hitler felt he was doing the world a favor too.

Here are the sources of your anti-American blog:

 

Sam, if you were the leader of a great and powerful nation, would you not do things in the interest of your country that you felt were right?

Or would you let the differing opinions of other people prevent you from doing what you felt was the right thing to do in the interest of your nation?

And would you worry about what "might" happen decades later as predicted by a few who claimed to know the future? Would you let that speculative prediction prevent you from doing what you thought was the right thing to do?

Baron Max

 

You mean like Gandhi?

 

No, I meant what would YOU do, Sam.

And as to Gandhi, I think if you looked around India today, and really saw all of the misery, poverty, death and conflict, you might not be so fuckin' proud of the old fart. Or ...do you think misery, poverty, ignorance, death and conflict is a good thing?

No, Sam, ....read my post again please. What would YOU do as the leader of a great nation? Would you do what you thought was the right thing to do? Or would you listen to the differing opinions of others?

Baron Max

 

samcdkey, from the land of Kali's Thugs, wants to castigate all others, but it seems that India is still giving Births to murderous cults, and nurturing old ones.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040413/edit.htm

Storm over an inter-caste marriage
Tension grips a sleepy Himachal village
by Ambika Sharma
It was a nightmarish experience for the residents of Daro-Devariya in Sirmaur district of Himachal Pradesh when they woke up to discover the brutal murder of two elderly men of their Dalit community on the morning of March 28. Though recovering from the repercussions of an inter-caste marriage, the two communities have still not reconciled to the idea of an upper caste girl and a Dalit youth eloping to tie the nuptial knot on March 20.

Violence scares poll staff

Naxalism in states like Andhra Pradesh and machinations of Maoist guerrillas in Jharkhand have sent a chill up the spine of those short-listed for poll duty. In Jharkhand those listed for election duty are coming up with all kinds of excuses to get their names struck off the list. In some Naxal-infested areas of Andhra Pradesh, where the Peoples War is targeting TDP activists, there is an overbearing element of fear. With Maoist guerrillas having called for a boycott of the polls, government employees are flocking their seniors with medical certificates and other reasons to avoid election duty. In the last three elections in Jharkhand, more than 20 officials and the same number of those on election duty were killed or had their hands, legs or other parts of their body chopped off by Maoist guerrillas.

— Contributed by S. Satyanarayanan, R. Suryamurthy and Gaurav Choudhury

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=17877&sec=55&con=18

It was unable to question the Dera chief sant Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh as he was reportedly out of town.


Ranbir Sidhu

http://www.ranbirsidhu.com/film.html

It is night and several men stare at us from the movie screen, their faces made unusually bright by the hot camera lights, while others examine their feet; some rub their hands nervously and smile and one talks with a voice displaying only a firm conviction. Some months earlier on this spot a young woman has been burned alive. These men are her relatives and friends and the ones responsible for her death.


The one who speaks explains that this is their tradition. Thousands of years old, he claims, dating back to the earliest of the Vedas. She died so she could become a goddess and bring wealth and happiness to her family, in fact, to all of India. If women aren't burned, he tells the camera, India itself will no longer be the holy land it is.

The woman's brother looks up. Yes, when they first heard she would become a sati he was worried, the whole family was afraid, but then it was all explained: her sister would become a goddess, India would be saved. He was happy for his sister, though he missed her, but she was a goddess now and everyone could pray to her. "She's not sister anymore anyhow," he explains, "She is our mataji."



The team also visited the office of local eveninger 'Poora Sach' to record the statement of its Editor, Anshul Chhattarpati, who is the son of the slain scribe.

R C Chattarpati was allegedly shot at by followers of the cult on October 24, 2002 here. He was taken to a hospital in Delhi but died there on November 21.

The police had at that time arrested three staunch followers of the Dera in connection with the murder. Two of them are still in judicial custody while the third was later released on bail.

Anshul Chhattarpati moved the high court praying for a CBI enquiry into his father's murder following which it directed the agency team to investigate the case.

 

To SamCDkey:

Sorry to see your new CP advar. Go back to the Congress party. Why? - Read following and see all of post at:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1333311&postcount=182

"...World's capacity to produce oil is static, at best, and from Mexico, a major US supplier, in rapid decline. (This is mainly do to fact socialist governments spend their available money on "social benefits," not more wisely on development of production facilities, which do not provide immediate benefits. Brazil's low growth rate, 1/3 of the other BRICKs, but still greater than the US's, is another example of this foolishness.) ..."

 

I would do what Gandhi did, make people realise that killing people who kill people does not show that killing people is wrong.

And as for Gandhi's opinion of India, I think he would be pretty proud of the fact that in 50 years we moved from a country with less than 15% literacy to one that is looked upon as a possible world leader, all without invading a single country.

 

You're comparing US government intervention to backward tribe politics?

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