the belgian flap 1989 - the skeptical analysis (1)

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    the background

    *For the past year, citizens in the French-speaking region of Wallonia in Belgium have experienced an extraordinary UFO wave. Thousands of witnesses, including dozens of gendarmes (national police) and officers of the Belgian Air Force, have described triangular-shaped vehicles flying slowly over rooftops, hovering, shooting searchlights and performing incredible maneuvers. The objects have been captured on some 25 videotapes and tracked on both ground and airborne radar by the military.

    *For the first time ever in the controversial history of UFOs anywhere in the world, the Belgian Minister of Defense, Guy Coeme, has authorized the Air Force to fully cooperate with SOBEPS, forwarding their reports, and even putting at their disposal a Hawker Sideley aircraft equipped with infrared cameras and sophisticated electronic sensors.

    *Unlike many other UFO groups around the world, the SOBEPS has a team of respected scientists, including Leon Brenig, a nonlinear dynamics theorist at the Free University in Brussels, and Professor August Meessen, a physicist from the Catholic University at Louvain. Among the numerous UFO witnesses, in fact, were Lucien Clerebaut, Secretary General of SOBEPS, Patrick Ferryn, a film producer and founding member, and Jose Fernandez, another SOBEPS investigator.

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    Full Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990 (Major Lambrechts, VS 3/Ctl-Met 1)


    • [A] This report provides the full picture of the reports of the involved units of the Belgian Air Force and the reports of the eyewitnesses of the Gendarmerie patrols on the unknown phenomena observes in the airspace (further refered to as UFOs) in the south of the line Bruxelles-Tirlemont during the night from March 30 to March 31, 1990.

      (B]) The observations as much visual than by radar were of such a nature that it was decided to make take off two F-16 apparatuses of the 1 JW with like mission the identification of these UFO. The observations, both visual and by radar were of such has natural that it was decided to scramble two F-16 fighters of the 1 JW with has mission to identify these UFOs.

      [C] This report was established by Major Lambrechts, VS 3/Ctl-Met 1.

    Since the beginning of December 1989, strange phenomena were regularly noticed in the Belgian airspace. The Air Force has a certain number of eyewitnesses whose majority were indicated by the gendarmerie. Radar tracking stations of the air Force could in no case confirm, before March 30/31, 1990, these visual observations, and the presence of the UFO could never be established by the interceptors sent for this purpose. The staff of the air Force was able to present a certain number of assumptions concerning the origin of these UFOs. The presence or the test of B-2 or F-117 A (Stealth), RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicles), ULM (Ultra Light Motorised) and AWACS in the Belgian airspace at the time of the facts can be excluded. The MLV office was informed of these discoveries by the notes in references 1 and 2. This request was accepted, following what the air Force regularly brought its co-operation to this society.


    Summary in chronological order of the events during the night from the 30 to 31, March 1990.

    Note: all timings are in local time.

    March 30:

    • *23h00: The responsible controller (MC) for the Glons CRC receives a phone call of Mr. A. Renkin, MDL of the gendarmerie, which certifies to see, from his residence with Ramillies, three unusual lights above Thorembaies - Gembloux. These lights are definitely more intense than stars and the planets, they do not move and are laid out in an equilateral triangle. Their color is changing: red, green and yellow.

      *23h05: The gendarmerie of Wavre is requested by Glons CRC to send a patrol to the site to confirm this observation.

      *23h15: A new call by Mr. Renkin informs of a new phenomenon: three other lights go to the first triangle. One of these lights is much more brilliant than the others. Glons CRC meanwhile observes an unidentified radar contact at 5 km in the north of Beauvechain. The contact moves at a speed of approximately 25 nodes and in direction of the West (see chart).

      *23h28: A gendarmerie patrol with, among others, captain Finch, is on the location and confirms the observation by Mr. Renkin. Captain Pinson describes the observed phenomenon as follows: "the luminous points have the dimensions of a large star; they change color continuously. The color that dominates is the red, it changes then into blue, green, yellow and white, but not in the same order each time." The lights are very clear as if they were signals: that makes it possible to distinguish them from stars.

      *23h30 - 23h45: Meanwhile the three new lights approached the first observed triangle. In their turn, after having made a series of disordered movements, they place themselves in the same manner in triangular formation. During this time Glons CRC follows the phenomenon on the radar.

      *23h49-23h59: TCC/RP Semmerzake confirms in its turn to have a clear radar contact at the same position as that announced by Glons CRC.

      *23h56: After preliminary coordination with SOC II and since all the conditions are met for a take off at QRA (I), Glons CRC gives the order of takeoff (scramble order) to the 1 JW.

      *23h45-00h15: The luminous points continue to be observed clearly from the ground. The entire formation seems to move slowly compared to stars. The eyewitnesses on the ground notice that the UFO sends short and more intense light signals from time to time. Meanwhile, two weaker luminous points are noticed in direction of Eghezée. Those, like the others, also make short and erratic movements.

    March 31:

    • *00h05: Two F-16, QRA (i) of JW, Al 17 and AL 23 take off. Between 00h07 and 00h54, under the control of the CRC, on the whole nine attempts of interception of these UFO were undertaken by the hunters. The planes had briefs radar contacts on several occasions with the targets indicated by the CRC. In three cases, the pilots succeeded in locking (lock on) during a few seconds on the target, which, each time, brought a change of the UFO. The pilots never had a visual contact with the UFO.

      *00h13: First lock on the objective indicated by the CRC. Position: on the nose 6 NN, 9 000 feet, course: 250. The speed of the target changes into a minimum of time from 150 to 970 nodes, the altitude passing of 9 000 to 5 000 feet, then back to 11 000 feet and then, suddenly, going down again to ground level. This results in a break-lock after a few seconds, the pilots losing radar contact. Glons CRC informs, at the moment of the break-lock, that the hunters fly over the position of the target.

      *+/- 00h19-00h30: Both Semmerzake TCC and Glons CRC Glons lost the contact with the target. From time to time a blip appears in the area but they are too scarce to have a clear track. Meanwhile, the pilots contact the civil air traffic radio operator on VHF, in order to coordinate their movements with Brussels TMA. The radio operator UHF contact is maintained with the CRC Glons.

      *00h30: AL has a radar contact at 5 000 feet, position 255, 20 NM of Beauchevin (Nivelles). The target moves at very high speed (740 knots). Locking on the target lasts 6 seconds and at the time of the break-lock, the signal for radar jamming appears on the screen.

      *+/- 00h30: Ground witnesses see the F-16 passes three times. During the third passage, they see the planes turning in circle in the center of the great formation seen initially. At the same time, they note the disappearance of the small triangle while the most shiny dot located at the west of the large triangle moves very quickly, probably gaining altitude. This dot emits intense red signals in a repetitive way during the operation. The two other clear points above Eghezée are not visible any more either and only the luminous point in the west of the large triangle can be observed.

      *00h32: The Glons and Semmerzake radars have a contact at 110, 6 NN off Beauvechain, which moves at 7 000 feet and high speed in direction of Bierset. Recorded speeds go from 478 to 690 kts. The contact is lost above Bierset. The radar control center of Maastricht did not have any contact with this UFO.

      *00h39-00h41: Glons CRC mentions a possible contact at 10 NN of the planes, altitude of 10 000 feet. The pilots have a contact radar starting from 7 NM. A new acceleration of the target from 100 to 600 kts is noted. The lock on only lasts a few seconds and both the planes and CRC lose the contact.

      *00h47: The RAPCON of Beauvechain mentions a contact on its radar at an altitude of 6 500 feet, position starting from Beauvechain: 160/5 NM. Glons CRC has also a contact on the same position. This one is observed until 00h56.

      *00h45-01h00: Some attempts are still undertaken in order to intercept the UFO. The planes record only some very spurious radar contacts. The witnesses on the ground see the last remained UFO left there disappear in the direction from Louvain-La Neuve (NNO). At about 01h00, the UFO completely disappeared from the sight.

      *01h02: AL 17 and AL 23 leave the frequency of Glons CRC and return to their base.

      *01h06: The gendarmerie of Jodoigne mentions to Glons CRC that one has just observed a phenomenon like the one observed by Mr. Renkin at 23h15.

      *01h10: Landing of AL 17.

      *01h16: Landing of AL 23.

      *01h18: Captain Pinson who went to the brigade of Jodoigne describes his observation as follows: "four white luminous points form a square with Jodoigne as central point." The UFO, seen in the direction of Orp-Jauche (in the south-east of Jodoigne) is more brilliant and has a yellow-red color. The luminous points move with jerky and short movements.

      *+/- 01h30: Les quatre OVNI perdent de leur luminosité et semblent disparaître dans quatre directions différentes.


    • [A] Weather. The data mentioned by Wing Weather of the air Force for the zone concerned and during the night of March 30 at March 31 1990 are as follows: Visibility: 8 to 15 km with a clear sky. Wind with 10 000 feet: 050/60 nodes. A light inversion of temperature on the ground and another also weak with 3 000 feet. These data are confirmed in the report/ratio of the Pinson captain. It mentions moreover that the stars were quite visible.

      [B) For lack of adequate material, the observers on the ground could not make any photograph or film of the phenomenon.

      [C] With a telescope the UFO observed is described as follows: a kind of sphere of which a part is very luminous; one distinguished there also a triangular form.


    • [A] In contradiction with other announced observations of UFO, for the first time was observed positively a contact radar in correlation with various sensors of the air Force (CRC, TCC, RAPCON, EBB and F-16 radar) and that in the same zone as the visual servations. This is to be explained by the fact why the UFO of March 30/31 were noted at an altitude of +/- 10 000 feet, whereas in the preceding case it was always a question of visual contacts at very low altitude.

      [B) Testimonys at sight, on which this report/ratio is based partially, were made by gendarmes in service and their objectivity could not be questioned.

      [C] The UFO, visualized at once by the F-16 radar in the mode Target Track (after interception), changed drastiquement their parameters. Speeds measured at this time and the changes of altitude exclude the assumption that the UFO observed could be confused with planes. Slow movements during the other phases different also from those of the planes. D. The pilots of the fighters never had visual contact with the UFO. This can be explained by the changes of the light intensity and even of the disappearance of the UFO at the time when F-16 arrived in the surroundings where they were observed on the ground.

      [E] The assumption according to which it would act of an optical illusion, a confusion with planets or any other weather phenomenon is contradictory with the observations on radar, in particular altitude around 10 000 feet and the positions geometrical tends to prove a plan-program.

      [F] The first observation of the slow displacement of the UFO was done about in the same direction and same speed as the wind. The direction differs from 30 of that of the wind (260 instead of 230). The assumption that they are sounding-balloons here is completely improbable. The altitude of the UFO remains in this phase with 10 000 feet, whereas the sounding-balloons continue to rise until the bursting towards 100 000 feet. The brilliant lights and their change of color can be explained with difficulty by such balloons. It is completely improbable that balloons remain with the same altitude during more than one hour, while preserving the same position between them. In Belgium, at the time of the observations radars, there was no weather inversion in progress. The assumption that it could acts of other balloons is to be drawn aside absolutely.

      [G] Although one has several times measured supérieuses speeds to that of the sound, no shock wave was announced. Here also, no explanation can be given.

      [H]Although the various witnesses on the ground finally announced eight points in the sky, the radars recorded only one contact at the same time. The points were seen remotely sufficient the ones of the others so that the radars can differentiate them too. No plausible explanation can be advanced.

      The assumption of air phenomena resulting from projections of holograms is to be also excluded: the laser projectors should have been normally observed by the pilots in flight. Moreover, the holograms cannot be detected by radar and a laser projection cannot be seen that if there is a screen like clouds for example. However here, the sky was released and there was no inversion of significant temperature.

    Report concerning the observation of UFOs in the night from March 30 to March 31, 1990.

    *babelfish translated where needed

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    Colonel De Brouwer interviewed

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    ok lets analyse
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    What do you think this is evidence of, spookz? Alien spacecraft? If so, please tell me how you reached that conclusion.

    Also, this all happened over a decade ago now. What was the final outcome of the investigations by the authorities?
  10. VRob Registered Senior Member


    It is evidence of a vehicle/craft in the sky that is performing far above any known technologies. It is also performing manuevers that were previously thought impossible. Manuevers that would have killed the occupant of the vehicle based on current information.

    It was viewed from the ground. It was viewed from the air by military pilots. It was picked up on ground radar, and by the pilots radar. There WAS something unknown to current technologies flying in those skies.

    It is being officially acknowledged by a Government of this planet.

    THIS IS EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE that needs to be added together with the rest of the EVIDENCE.

    Why do so many people take the stance that if each incident doesn't give us a final conclusion, then it doesn't mean a thing??? I'm continually baffled by this line of thinking.

    What difference does it make how long ago it occured?

    One final thought here. Why wasn't this incident picked up by the US media? I'd be willing to bet my mortgage that the majority of American citizens have never even heard of this incident. Same thing with the Mexico City incident. It received almost ZERO media attention in the US. Hmmmmm, I wonder why. And we're supposed to be the free and open society.
  11. spookz Banned Banned

    4. On 30 Mar 1990 at 23.00 Hr the Master Controller (MC) of the Air Defense radar station of Glons received a phone call from a person who declared to observe three independent blinking lights in the sky, changing colours, with a much higher intensity than the lights of the stars and forming a triangle. Meteo conditions were clear sky, no clouds, light wind and a minor temperature inversion at 3000 Ft.

    5. The MC in turn notified the police of WAVRE which confirmed the sighting at +- 23 30 Hr. (Summary Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990)

    visual contact established. shape and motion is apparent

    Meanwhile the MC had identified a radar contact at about 8 NM North of the ground observation. The contact moved slowely to the West at a speed of =- 25kts and an altitude of 10.000 Ft._

    7. At 23.50 a second radar station, situated at +- 100 NM from the first, confirmed an identical contact at the same place of the radar contact of Glons. (Summary Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990)

    ground radar contact established

    8. At 00.05 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varied between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occurred after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots. (Summary Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990)

    airborne radar locks established.

    *00h30: AL has a radar contact at 5 000 feet, position 255, 20 NM of Beauchevin (Nivelles). The target moves at very high speed (740 knots). Locking on the target lasts 6 seconds and at the time of the break-lock, the signal for radar jamming appears on the screen. Report concerning the observation of UFOs in the night from March 30 to March 31, 1990.

    radar jamming which indicates a deliberate and conscious action (6 times)

    The Belgian Air Force was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions:

    • a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar).

      b. ULM. Same as for balloons.

      c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics.

      d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise.

      e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar.
    Summary Report on Observations 30-31 March 1990.

    the process of elimination. what it is not. all foreign and international bodies were queried to ascertain origin. all said "it is not us." now deceit could be a factor but very unlikely due to int laws. tests are not conducted over populated areas

    Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar)

    perhaps some elaboration....But the object had speeded up from an initial velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,700 one second! This fantastic acceleration corresponds to 40 Gs. [A "G" is a unit of acceleration. One G is equivalent to the gravitational pull of the earth, 9.81 m/sec/sec.] It would cause immediate death to a human on board. The limit of what a pilot can take is about 8 Gs. And the trajectory of the object was extremely disconcerting. It arrived at 1,700 meters altitude, then it dove rapidly toward the ground at an altitude under 200 meters, and in doing so escaped from the radars of the fighters and ground units at Glons and Semmerzake. This maneuver took place over the suburbs of Brussels, which are so full of man-made lights that the pilots lost sight of the object beneath them.

    "In any event, it was out of the question for the F-16 to catch up with the object at this low altitude, where the density of the air limits the speed to 1,300 KPH. Above that speed, the temperature in the compressors of the jet tur bines would cause the engines to burst," said Col. DeBrouwer. "There was a logic behind the motions of the object."

    Everything indicates that this object was intelligently directed to escape from the pursuing planes. During the next hours the scenario repeated twice. An Unidentified Flying Object On The Radar Of An F-16

    One radar is at Glons, southeast of Brussels, which is part of the NATO defense group, and one at Semmerzake, west of the Capitol, which controls the military and civilian traffic of ther entire Belgian territory. The range of the two radars is 300 KM, which is more than enough to cover the area where the reports took place. In this region the land is fairly flat, rolling country without any prominent hills. The radar has a perfect view of all flying objects with an altitude above 200 meters over the ground. Nevertheless, Headquarters determined to do some very precise studies during the next 55 minutes to eliminate the possibility of prosaic explanations for the radar images. Excellent atmospheric conditions prevailed, and there was no possibility of false echoes due to temperature inversions. An Unidentified Flying Object On The Radar Of An F-16

    eliminating atmospheric causes.

    the available evidence indicates not manmade. rather than speculate some lost amazonian tribe has thwe tech to do this stuff, i rather go with et.

    why think et exists? i develop arguments here
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    French ufologist Renaud Marhic analyzed the "new rumors" behind the Belgian UFOs in a recent Phenomena article, in which he published the responses sent by Leo Delcroix, Belgium's Minister of Defense, and De Brouwer. "Unfortunately, no explanation has been found to date," wrote Delcroix. "The nature and origin of the phenomenon remain unknown. One theory can be definitely dismissed, however, since the Belgian Armed Forces have been positively assured by American authorities that there has never been any sort of American aerial test flights."

    Similarly, De Brouwer wrote to Marhic that , "Unfortunately, all I can say is that the multiple enquiries have not revealed any details, neither about the origin [n]or the nature of the phenomenon. ...t is untrue that the Belgian military authorities can explain the phenomenon in terms of American military aircraft."

    De Brouwer's conclusion is a fitting finale. "The day will come undoubtedly, when the phenomenon will be observed with technological means of detection and collection that won't leave a single doubt about its origin. This should lift a part of the veil that has covered the mystery for a long time. A mystery that continues thus present. But it exists, it is real, and that in itself is an important conclusion."
  13. spookz Banned Banned

    there are possible scenarios that can be rated with degrees of probabilty.

    1> top secret project (manmade) - this implies that the scientific community is totally in the dark as to the extent of research in propulsion.

    the ufos exibit speeds and maneuvers that are known to be impossible in our current state of tech. futhermore, the propulsion systems do not emit noise (no apparent sonic boom)

    going with manmade.....the maneuvers would indicate unmanned as humans would be crushed by grav forces. exotic propulsions...... perhaps some examples james? anti grav? soundless? do we have stuff t hat meets the observed characteristics of the ufo?

    2> atmospheric anomalies - the conditions at the time of the incidents were noted and held to be uneventful. there is a possibility of unknown stuff. there is also a possibility of pink and purple, flying dinosaurs

    3> collective hallucinations and the simultaneous failure of radar tech - jeez! the lenghts i have to go to satisfy the pseudo skeptics

    4>et - the foundation lies in our mythology and historical references. we progress from there to...habitable planets/interstellar travel/sentient life/advanced civs. (high likelihood of all 4)....something unknown flies around>et

    order of probability....4>1>2>3
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    i personally do not think humans are structured to say it is unknown and leave it at that. publically you can an perhaps have to, but personnally it is different. it is automatic that the mind tends to find a ....."best possible fit". going with this impulse to seek an explanation,.......

    ...why dont you give me some possible explanations and their respective probabilities

    *you can use a diaper if you have to. i wont mind

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  15. VRob Registered Senior Member


    An assurance from the American authorities is about a trustworthy as my ex wife. Throughout all of my research on this subject, I've only come to one absolute conclusion. And that is that the American authorities should never be trusted to tell the truth.

    I do not rule out the possibility that it was ours based on these reasons.

    1. Based on the evidence at hand, I think it's a reasonable assumption to think we have recovered vehicles not of this earth. And have had them for over 50 years.

    2. Someone has obviously been disecting these recovered vehicles in an attempt to duplicate their power/energy source.

    3. I believe this back-engineering of recovered vehicles has produced some success. How much, I have no idea. But I do believe our Space endeavors are now performed by the military. I believe NASA is a public front. I just don't believe they'd continue to cut funding to our space program as much as they have if they didn't already have an alternative means of exploring/conquering space.

    4. I can easily see the US testing its most advanced air/space craft over another country. In fact, I think they'd do this before they'd test one over an American City. It's much easier to sensor the news from abroad. Plus, for some strange reason, Americans seem to think that EVERY other country is below them. Thus, it's easier for our authorities to write these reports off as crazy foreigners.

    But, that's just one theory.

    Outside of those two theories, I really don't see any other explanation. I'd be very appreciative if someone could conjur up another.
  16. VRob Registered Senior Member

    Where, oh where are the debunkers?
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

    futhermore, the propulsion systems do not emit noise (no apparent sonic boom)

    Sonic booms are caused by objects moving faster than sound and have nothing to do with propulsion system noise.
  18. spookz Banned Banned

    bad sentence structuring. thanks for pointing that out

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    revised: futhermore, the propulsion systems do not emit noise. when the ufo is observed to accelerate beyond the speed of sound, there is no associated sonic boom
  19. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

    the ufos exibit speeds and maneuvers that are known to be impossible in our current state of tech

    That is if you actually knew the current state of technology – you don’t.
  20. VRob Registered Senior Member

    With this comment, it is quite obvious that you have not read the report Spookz posted.
  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

    there is a possibility of unknown stuff.

    Exactly. And it is a good reason why many believers should not go off half-cocked with conclusions.

    This is like shooting ducks in a barrel.
  22. VRob Registered Senior Member

    So what you're saying then Q is that the Belgium incident was caused by one of our own experimental craft?

    I'm being serious here.

    I think this is a valid theory. However, if it isn't one of ours, then what is it. Or better yet, where do you suppose it came from?
  23. spookz Banned Banned

    go for it q
    give me your analysis based on the reports. then feel free to knock my analysis down.
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