Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Vega, Nov 4, 2009.
Heard of it. Sometimes more than once; because it doesn't always work the first time.
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Doesn't the process of putting a hypodermic into their ventricles also cause stress?
Not as much as chopping off their heads; also it depends on which hormone you're collecting. Friends of mine in neuro routinely chopped off heads without anesthesia because it interferes with chemical responses.
I thought that chopping off someone's head would usually just take a split of a second, and therefore not leave any space for stress?
Stunning is OK in at least some people's Halal ritual. And a blow to the head does not cause immediate suffering, even if it has to be repeated to kill - ask anyone who's taken one.
An old employer of mine sold a beef cow to some Somali guys; they bought from him because he would allow them to slaughter it properly, right on the farm.
They showed up with these big knives, went over to the yard, and discovered that US beef cattle are about four times the size of Somali beef cattle, and not herded or tamed by human contact - they were looking at upwards of 1700 pounds of not very cooperative animal.
The compromise was: he shot the animal in the head while it stood on a wagon, and they slit its throat quickly before it actually died, rolling it into proper drain position.
There's nothing inhumane about it.
Once upon a time (and in lesser parts of the world) it had its place. Lack of refrigeration, rancid meat, delays to market, and other issues, these rules ensured the least potential for contaminated meat. Now its a stupid, archaic tradition that has no place in the modern world. Its cruel and imprecise, especially in slaughterhouse situations.
Guillotined rats are no comparision. Their heads are off, their spinal cord severed.
An animal should be dead BEFORE you drain its blood.
Is it not the same as the Jewish slaughter of animals ?.
I think the Jews and the Muslims do it the same .
Electroencephalography recordings, which record electrical activity along the scalp due to rapid neuron activity within the brain, have been surgically implanted onto the skull of various sheep and cattle in the past to test their reactions to two methods of slaughter: halal (slitting the animal's throat), and captive bolt stunning (firing a rod into the brain of an animal, at which point it recoils back into the pistol by spring tension).
It was discovered that halal slaughter was painless in the sheep and cattle who were tested; the captive bolt stunning method, which is the popular and widely encouraged method, was found to cause severe and painful reactions in the animals. It is also worth mentioning that halal and kosher meats generally taste better due to salted blood extraction. The salts used to extract the blood from animals slaughtered by halal and kosher methods through osmosis give the meat a better flavor; the extra sodium within the meat cells also help to retain the juices in the meat.
Can you cite a study because I heard the opposite.
well how about that. My family has been butchering pigs the Halal/Kosher way for decades. Hell, generations.
I am basing my information on a study conducted at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany by W. Schulze, H. Schultze-Petzold, A.S. Hazem, and R. Gross in 1978. Here is a link to the study translated by Dr Sahib M. Bleher (the original is written in German).
And I will raise you two studies which declare the opposite.
Captive bolt stunning followed by sticking one minute later resulted in immediate and irreversible loss of evoked responses after the stun. Spontaneous cortical activity was lost before sticking in three animals, and in an average of 10 seconds after sticking in the remaining five animals.
The duration of brain function after shechita was very variable, and particularly contrasted with captive bolt stunning with respect to the effects on evoked responses. These were lost between 20 and 126 seconds (means of 77 seconds for somatosensory and 55 seconds for visual evoked responses) and spontaneous activity was lost between 19 and 113 seconds (mean 75 seconds) after slaughter.
The prevalence of large (>3 cm outer diameter) false aneurysms in cattle carotid arteries was 10% for both shechita and halal slaughter. The prevalence of animals with bilateral false aneurysms (at least 2 cm in one artery and at least 3 cm diameter in the opposite artery) was 7% and 8% for shechita and halal slaughter, respectively.
No false aneurysms occurred during bleeding in cattle that were electrically stunned and simultaneously developed a cardiac arrest.
The combination of false aneurysms and collateral routes to the brain present a risk of sustained consciousness during religious slaughter in cattle.
Some crab nervous systems can shut down completely in 25C.
Animals should not be killed in a painful manner because of some stupid superstition. If a vote comes up I'll vote for a change immediately.
and you did so when the rat was unconscious and under anesthetic. Was the Hala animal unconscious and under anesthetic when it's throat was cut?
Yeah thats right. Anyone who thinks electric shocks are painless are welcome to experiment on themselves.
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Yeah I just pulled off the heads of some nice yummy Bombay ducks. grrrrr!
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so how should my husband kill the fish he catches? :shrug:
I chop their heads off with a knife. Funny thing, cleaning fish doesn't bug me.
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