The atrocities of Christianity

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Taking issue with intolerance isn't exactly the same as damning the intolerant to hell. But then you knew that.


    Torturing poor people because they don't believe like you do serves no economic purpose whatsoever. If you even wanted to confiscate their few possessions, which is unlikely, you'd simpy kill them. Torturing them for long hours so they will confess and become saved would avail you nothing. The only motivation here is pure religious fanaticism, a sort of socially propagated psychosis that dehumanizes nonbelievers as heretics deserving of cruelty and death.



    That people will kill others for food is your proposition, not mine. Frankly I don't believe it.








    Didn't make any accusations. Just cited a long list of historical events. If the history of christian intolerance feels accusatory to you, I'd suggest searching your own soul to find out why.



    I think it's pretty self-evident that Catholics wouldn't have killed Cathars if they weren't Cathars. That they wouldn't have burned witches if they hadn't believed they were witches. And that they wouldn't have slaughtered Muslims in 9 Crusades if they weren't Muslims. Religion motivates people to hate in ways they would not normally hate. If you have some evidence showing this to be untrue let's hear it.


    What's that they say about the road to hell?
     
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  3. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Being intolerant of intolerance is intolerant.


    I myself have been bullied by Catholics for not being Catholic (I'm not Christian in any sense either). Of course, this is not the same as the torture in the name of God that some people were subjected to in the Holy Inquisition.

    For years, I've been trying to understand why those people did to me what they did, and how I could come up with an explanation that would set my mind at ease.
    I find that humanistic explanations tend to be lacking, as they operate from an utopian ideal of how people should be. An ideal that may be realizable in a world where there is no aging, no illness, no death, no scarcity of natural resources, no greed, no anger and no delusion. But to hold people to that ideal in a world beset by aging, illness, death, scarcity of natural resources, greed, anger and delusion - that is, our world - is just unrealistic.


    Perhaps you'll think differently when you'll be the one starving.


    Even if we go with that, you still need to explain where religion came from and how come it has been around for so long.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..You have that backwards. Actually NOT tolerating intolerance--standing up against it and fighting it--IS tolerance. And that's because you are not condoning the intolerant treatment of the victim. You are standing up for their tolerance. To tolerate intolerance is in fact intolerance.





    Speak for yourself. Because I can tell you emphatically that I would not kill someone just because I was starving. And I'm pretty sure
    I'm not the only one either.


    No..I don't have to explain the origin of anything to be against it. I can't explain the origin of Nazism for example. But I'm still against it. Same with Christian intolerance.
     
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  7. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You might find yourself surprised by what high aspirations, high expectations, idealism, starvation, oppression and environmental pollution can influence people to do.

    The Khmer Rouge, for example, started out with very idealistic notions - and look what happened.


    Promoting world-wide peace and tolerance might very well cost you your own life, and (prior to that) it may lead you to do precisely the same kind of actions that you have originally set out to eradicate in others.
     
  8. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    A couple of small points to Wynn, if you were actually starving you would be too weak to kill anybody, and if what you claim is true or actually happens, why do we not hear of it, as a regular occurrence.
     
  9. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Well, perhaps the idea that people in need resort to stealing and fighting, is merely an urban myth.
     
  10. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    You used the terms "starving" and "killing" not stealing and fighting. Changing the goal post some what, aren't we. We don't hear of people who are starving, killing to get food, that is a myth.
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds like your particular burden. I'm more concerned with what ignorance superstition and religious fanaticism has done and continues to do to our species. If you have any doubts check my list again.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I was thinking about that too. If people are starving it probably behooves them more to become friends with those with food rather than just killing them. As if they even had the strength to kill people. Being a murderous a-hole is just not conducive to survival in most societies, even IF you are starving.
     
  13. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    As for the effects of hunger and other unmet needs, especially on large scales - wait and see, if nothing else.


    Does thinking of Christianity as a kind of "socially propagated psychosis" set your mind at rest?

    Are you happy with this explanation?
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm happy regardless of what I think. Why does knowing the truth about christianity perturb you so much? They're just facts. Facts can't hurt you.
     
  15. arauca Banned Banned

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    When you say Christianity what actually you mean by that, is it people, is it the philosophy ?
     
  16. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    When people do evil in the name of God, shall God be responsible for it?
     
  17. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Atheists have no god and have no afterlife. What prevents atheists from doing evil? The police? If so, then what prevents the police from doing evil?
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I would say both. A philosophy cannot of itself commit atrocities without inspiring people to do them.
     
  19. arauca Banned Banned

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    The fact they do evil , they are using the name of God as a weapon for their interest
     
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    Christ teaching is if they hit you in the left chin put the other . When Christ got apprehended in the garden and one of his follower used a knife and cut one of the apprehends the ear , Christs said to him put the knife back and healed the apprehend ear back. Christ said love hay fellow man as your self
    You tell me if the Philosophy is guilty of atrocity. Or your mind is twisted
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    What prevents me from doing evil? Compassion and empathy for others. A rational approach towards living. A natural desire for peace and freedom in the society I live in. How does believing in God keep you from doing evil?
     
  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    The same thing that prevents you from doing evil. I think it's called a conscience, or empathy. Some people lack it, including police.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Do you often insult people outright. ? Did Jesus tell you to do that? You should consult the OP for the list of atrocities committed by those who felt the righteous indignation to take other people's lives. It's a real eye-opener. Speaking of Jesus, he said he was come to bring not peace but a sword. Looks like even he anticipated the divisive and violent results of his teachings.
     

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