Terrorist get what they want? France extends state of emergency indefinitely

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  1. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    As I previously advocated immediately after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, what the terrorists deserve to "win" is an end to the separation of Church/Mosque and state. If I can't teach my kids that the boogeyman will come eat their hearts out if they don't do the dishes on time and perform sexual favours for me - and I'm very much glad that it's illegal to do so - then it can't be legal for religious institutions to preach whatever hate, intolerance, bigotry, pseudoscience etc. as they please either, and those institutions and their followers should be carefully monitored to ensure that they're toeing the line.

    Muslim bigots (and other like-minded folk) enjoy roaming the streets with their "morality police", jerking off to western women underneath their robes while preaching idiotic values to the masses and attempting to intimidate them into compliance. Maybe it's time for atheist "rationality police" to start patrolling radical Muslim slums and bring the fight back to their own turf. A strategic pre-emptive strike on some of these preachers' welfare payouts would also produce a devastating shock and awe effect that far surpasses anything one could get from dropping bombs on CNN.

    Edit: While we're busy stripping away at enshrined medieval privileges, let's start taxing all religious institutions and treating them like any other private business. The proceeds can go to a fund for victims of terror, rape, incest, forced retardation etc.
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    totally spot on IMO.
    Islam, as interpreted by ISIL, is founded on fear. They are fraudulently Devoted to a GOD titled Allah.
    I use the word fraudulently because as most mature people know, fear based worship can never be genuine.

    As ISIL is founded on fear it uses fear as it's main weapon.

    They know that if people fear them they gain the false devotion they them selves have towards Allah.

    Thus the more the world focuses it's fear on ISIL the more they succeed in their recruitment and pseudo ideological sustainability.

    However as history has repeatedly demonstrated fear based allegiances are not sustainable.

    They, ISIL, failed with the destruction of the Ottoman Empire post WW1 and will again fail in the future as all oppressive regimes must ultimately fail.

    Opinion:

    It is no coincidence that Turkey's Government ( Ottoman ) are currently showing signs of clandestine alliance with ISIL as there is a possibility that the Ottoman Empire is attempting to reinvent itself using ISIL as a vehicle.

    Note: The Ottoman were never defeated per see, they only agreed to a peace treaty. So the potential for a re-birthing of Ottoman Middle Eastern ambitions is very possible IMO
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    No. They don't want to get caught, they want to draw the west into a ground war so their prophecies can come about.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Right. And promulgating fear among the populace is a good way to achieve that. And an endless state of emergency is a great way to prop up that fear.
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think anyone is more fearful due to increased police powers. Concerned, maybe, about rights, but not scared.
     
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  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No? Having police stationed everywhere, having constant reminders of preparation for terror attacks, having areas blocked off due to the threat of terror - that's not going to make anyone more fearful?
    Both, in many cases. And many will blame the Muslims for the loss of their rights, and animosity will grow. People will treat Muslims more poorly, and Muslims will resent that, and more will be driven into the arms of Daesh and similar terrorist organizations. Which is exactly what the terrorists want.
     
  11. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    No. Terrorists want to kill people who aren't Muslim. They don't care about fear, only death.
     
  12. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Why would it? Does your seatbelt increase your fear of car accidents? And, "reminders"? People need reminders that terrorism is a problem? Are their memories that short?
     
  13. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    you do know not all terrorists are muslim right? and terrorism is about fear. its about coercion. the killing is just a means to end.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It isn't quite the same thing. A better analogy would be a cop in the back seat of your car telling you how to drive to avoid accidents.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No. But drive by a sign every ten feet that says "put your seat belt on or you will die like that other driver did!" will.

    Nobody has proposed "get rid of seatbelts" (or cops.) It is the constant state of emergency that is the issue. (Look up the definition of "emergency" and see if "constant state of emergency" even makes any sense.)
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Christian terrorists are perfectly fine with killing Muslims. Indeed, they seem to prefer to kill doctors of all religions. And they, like any other terrorists, want to create fear through violence.
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately for the USA the attack in San Bernardino which has ISIL inspired "written all over it" has significant potential. Social media is already picking up on it...
    Sad days ahead unfortunately...
    One can only hope that middle America can avoid over reacting and manage somehow..
     
  18. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Let's not split hairs here: there is very little terrorism that affects us that isn't Muslim - and in particular, the subject of this thread.
    Yes, well, Islamic terrorists perhaps strain the definition a bit, but I don't know of another word beyond just "murderers" that seems appropriate, but that just doesn't seem strong enough.
     
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  19. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Fair enough. That would be annoying (and expensive!) but I don't think it would make me fear car accidents.
     
  20. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Wow, sorry to hear that. I lead a much less stressful life than that.
    It doesn't make sense. But I'm not seeing that we are in a "constant state of emergency". I see [some] people complaining about reasonable security measures for weak reasons.
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The point is that putting up with a cop in your back seat is exactly what people are doing in response to terrorism. Whether you think you're frightened or not, you're changing your life. That's what the terrorists want.
     
  22. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and I'm ok with that, but just so we're clear, that's different from what the OP said/what we are discussing which was "state of emergency and fear." Having permanently tightened security does not constitute a "state of emergency and fear" in my opinion (though the terms aren't necessarily well defined), it's just prudent.
    [sigh] Repeating it won't ever make it true. Again: Islamic terrorists, primarily, want to kill us, not merely make us fear them.
     
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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? Than what?
    From the first post:
    "According to new reports, the French government is thinking about extending the state of emergency for six months or even indefinitely. "
     

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