Taking it way too far.

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Taking it way too far.
    I thought I would start this thread after viewing the extreme reactions and volatile insulting posts from mods on this forum simply because others have another, rather less then extreme opinion. The thread in question also typifies how one can make a mountain out of a mould hill. Can a mod sanction another mod? Then very early on in the thread in question, one particular mod should certainly have been infracted.

    feminisim, political correctness, equalitiy and equal rights, are all great inititives that humanity as a whole should be embracing and making an effort to achieve world wide.
    But as desirable as those inititives are, there is also the danger of certain individuals for personal reasons, taking them too far and actually achieving SFA in the process and alienating any chance of such inititives gaining a firm foot hold in society in general.
    Let me give a couple of examples. I very rarely use public transport and make good use of my car on most occasions, but a few years ago, while travelling to my annual old boys reunion, I got the bus into the city. As the trip progressed, the bus got crowded with all seats taken, and then a women around forty years of age, [that's approx 30 years my junior] hopped on the bus and stood holding the strap for standing passengers not far from where I was seated. Being an oldie and in many ways old fashion, I stood up and offered her a seat. She smiled at me declined the offer and remarked that it was a shame we do not see that anymore today. I insisted and she eventually gratefully sat down.

    On another occasion at least a decade ago when the political correct movement was gathering pace, the comany I was working for, QANTAS, came out with an edict that from now on all manholes and manhole covers would now be referred to as access holes. Our union and its members toatlly rejected such triviality and were supported by first line of management. Needless to say the edict was rightly lost in the dust of oblivion as we simply ignored it.

    Wolf whistles from mainly men on working/building sites at passing attractive females was supposed to be eliminated. Guess what? It still goes on and most women actually "appreciate" being recognised for their beauty and/or sexuality and simply laugh it off.
    The elimination of racism, the equality of "ÄLL" human beings, is what we as humans need to be striving for...male and female alike. All need to be paid equally for equal work. No person should be discriminated against because of his or her race or gender. Hate speech should be banned as it is in most civilised countries.

    With regards to feminism, if equality is what certain women are fighting for, then why should there be women rights?. By definition having women rights, means equality doesnt exist anymore. And isn't the goal equality? How about human rights? for all nationalities and BOTH sexes.Or is this an example of some women in the so called women's movement, simply trying to be superior and gain perks over their male counterparts. Is it simply a revenge movement, to make "men"pay for the past errors and mistakes in society in general when women were not treated equal?
    Just checked the dictionary online and it defines feminism as follows.....feminism
    the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
    Perhaps many of the women identifying themselves with being feminist, maybe actually feminazis.

    Everyday I see women dressing up as men and that's OK, but a man dressed as a woman! I also have noted that women seem to get lighter crime sentences then their male counterparts. No I have no figures but If someone would like to show that as a wrong assessement then go for it.

    The facts are men and women are different. A man is stronger in general, larger, and stands up to have a pee. I certainly do not want to see women in general growing armpit hair or a moustache or a beard! I want the women I admire [and I still admire woem even at my age] to be feminine, while being equal...I want to be able to admire a beautiful women [which I still do at my age] without being a groper, [which I'm not]
    Perhaps these feminazis would also like to lock any male up for what they are thinking? But what about what some women are thinking when they see a good looking bloke such as myself walk by. Equality in all forms is desirable and achievable and a must. Women's rights are not.

    Bigots and extremists exist in all forms of life and that includes this forum and a couple of mods with it and the feminist movement in general. The thread I referred to in the beginning of this post was blown out of all proportion to what was an innocent, and factual remark by another.

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  3. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Ha... funy stuff Paddoboy... but some may not recognize that you'r bein facetious an the thred coud be locked like my "What About The Men" thred :-(
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if this is the place to speak of the mods, I would take this up with James directly.
     
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    Poe's Law link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
    No, they don't.
    Maybe start there, and recast an otherwise doomed approach. Because by the time you're posting this, Poe's Law applies and you're lost:
    Women - in general - grow hair in their armpits.

    This isn't going to work, as a joke or otherwise.
     
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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes they do, at least a goodly proportion of them.
    It wasn't a joke. Although perhaps I should have said women shave their arm pits and no self respecting women, particularly playing sports, would be seen with arm pit hair.

    I wasn't being fecetious, other then on one occassion re standing up to pee. I was being observant and quoting from experience.

    Anyway I have more pressing things to attend to. My 42 Wedding Anniversary today!!!! Son's taking us out to a swanky Greek restaurant, where hopefully, they'll be playing some Nana Mouskouri songs!

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    While near certain many women do simply laugh it off, on one occassion I was walking around 20 mtrs behind a sexy blonde with lovely mini skirt and accompanied pair of legs, around 20 years ago, when a group of young blokes on a building site wolf whistled her, as she passed. Quick as a flash, she turned around, pulled open her blouse and exposed her breasts!

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    along with poking her tongue out. Obviously I also got a pleasant eye full!

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    Congratulatons... sounds like you have a fun night planned

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  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So what? How are things different now? Giving up your seat for someone weaker is just polite. Are women inherently weaker? I could see that assumption as insulting.

    There is cultural resistance to change, doesn't mean it's wrong to try.
    Most women do not appreciate being whistled at, that's why it's wrong.
    Women's rights is a term for the fight for laws and norms that ensure political and labor equality. If things were equal, they would not be necessary.
    Also a good thing, and not mutually exclusive to women's rights.
    Perhaps you are a clueless parrot that has been brainwashed by conservative anti-feminist propaganda.
    No.
    It is not the goal of feminism to eliminate gender differences. There is a difference between being the same in all respects, and political or labor equality under the law.
    Then don't visit Europe.
    It's certainly possible. Can you give any examples of it?
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps you missed the part where the woman said, "that it was a shame we do not see that anymore today"
    Which was also my experience on the day, since there were a lot of younger people around that could have also offered her the seat.
    There is also cultural resistance to stupidity and extremism, as there should be.
    Most women see it as minor incident and some as I said, and as I later referenced, seem to see the hilarity harmlessness in it.
    As I said, equality in all aspects should be the desired goal, and yes the effort at this time to achieve that need be continued but not abused.
    Not mutually exclusive to equality you mean.
    Perhaps you are a clueless Galah that has been brainwashed by the extreme feminazis.
    In some cases yes.
    I'm all for political and Labour equality go tell that to your feminazi friends.
    I'm at this time watching the Australian Open Tennis with many European women competing. Havn't seen any hairy female arm pits yet.
    Yes, some in the feminist movement and some on this forum going by past threads.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/has-feminism-gone-too-far

    How Feminism Has Gone Too Far
    Radical feminism is NOT feminism.
    Lydia Abedeen
    Lydia Abedeen
    Jul 17, 2017
    Before we start, a quick DISCLAIMER: all of what I am about to say in the following paragraphs to come is purely my own OPINION. I consider myself a devout feminist and I support many feministic ideals. This article is just a reflection of my own beliefs of what I've seen when it comes to modern-day feminism. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

    When you look at the history books, it's true that women across the globe have been very much unappreciated in prior years, especially when it comes to the rights they were/are allowed to have. In the US, we had to wait untill 1920 in order to vote, and according to many sources, women did not begin attending college in equal numbers to men until as recently as 1980.

    Even nowadays, the genders are still not completely equal; women get paid less, aren't allowed to play certain sports, and can't even drive in some countries. It's a sad (but true) reality.

    This is why the feminist movement is such a great thing. Feminist campaigns have netted us girls the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to own property, to receive an education, and many other rights.

    In addition, the work of feminists have protected thousands of women from rape and sexual violence by promoting anatomical integrity. When you take into account its true purpose, feminism really is a great thing.

    Feminism has always been a great thing--until recently. Feminism has always enabled women to get up and protest, yes, but since when did that mean that 120+ women could strip naked in front of the White House to scream about "femicide"?

    Don't get me wrong, femicide is a real and true thing, but that kind of behavior is completely unnecessary. What's the point? There are hundreds of other ways of ways to get your point across!
    more at link.....

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    http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/has-metoo-has-gone-too-far-20180116-h0ivul.html

    Has #MeToo gone too far?

    • Natalie Reilly
    On Saturday, feminist author, Margaret Atwood wrote an opinion piece for Canada's Globe and Mail in which she defended her friend, academic Steven Galloway against what she viewed as trial by accusation.

    Atwood argued that Galloway had been denied due process in a sexual assault case, and instead was dismissed from his job on the basis of suspicion and secrecy, thereby ruining his reputation.

    On Saturday, feminist author, Margaret Atwood wrote an opinion piece for Canada's Globe and Mail in which she defended her friend, academic Steven Galloway against what she viewed as trial by accusation.

    Atwood argued that Galloway had been denied due process in a sexual assault case, and instead was dismissed from his job on the basis of suspicion and secrecy, thereby ruining his reputation.
    more at link......
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    https://www.quora.com/Has-feminism-gone-too-far-in-general

    Has feminism gone too far in general?
    Kate Luebke, Intersectional feminist working to make feminism better.
    Updated Jul 19, 2017

    Before we begin, I would like to state that I am a socialist and a feminist in that order. That said, I am very critical of the current radical feminist movement and am more in tune with the current intersectionalist movement.

    I think there's been a push by radical feminists to create a “marketplace feminism (white feminism)” and I think that's backfired on them horribly, as it should. I am going to personify this cookie cutter feminism that I speak of in the form on one particular celebrity: Lena Dunham. Now in full disclosure, I will admit that I do not like Lena Dunham or a lot of what she says about feminism. I find it embarassing that many consider her the face of feminism. I also get really creepy vibes from her but that's neither here nor there. Still, biased or not, I think Lena Dunham is the case personified of why marketplace feminism has gone too far.

    The good news is, Peter Coffin, a writer over at Medium.com (and a man! *Gasp*) created an article for me so I don't have to spend a ton of time going through a lot of the cringe worthy quotes and events: Enough of Lena Dunham’s “Marketplace Feminism” – Peter Coffin – Medium (note this article was written shortly after her and Amy Schumer’s racist flap with Odell Beckham, Jr in September of 2016, so mildly dated).

    So the branded feminism we've been seeing for the past few years seems to only be inclusive of white upper class women. Why do you think Hillary Clinton was so quick to let Lena Dunham interview her (and in my opinion, this is one of the many reasons the election backfired on her horribly)? Most radical feminists are close to Hillary Clinton's age and seemed to arrogantly think that their version of feminism was good for everyone.

    The good news is the rise in marketplace feminism seems to be bringing about a newer form of feminism - intersectional feminism. While I will say that this form of feminism is not perfect (as Coffin points out), it is far more inclusive than the current form of feminism. Intersectional feminism will require a lot of tweaks in the coming years but it seems easier to tweak this than continue with the tiresome exclusive narrative that is radical (marketplace) feminism.

    So do I feel feminism has gone too far? Yes. But I do feel it is because the wrong people were allowed to hijack the feminist movement. So the goal now is to co-op feminism and show everyone that, yes, there is a way for feminism to be inclusive of everyone instead of only to rich Caucasian women. As hard as it is, to repair the feminist movement it will mean taking less time to preach and more time to listen to those current feminism has marginalized (yes that includes men too). Right now, that's something a lot of feminists who fit in closer to the marketplace feminism don't really want to do so. My hope is the next generation of feminist leaders will see the need to do so. We'll see how deep the influence of the current feminist leaders has gone. If it ends up being more of the same, then it'll be a huge problem.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Things change. Women are not seen as inherently weaker. Is that wrong?
    What's extreme about using a gender neutral term?
    One example is not most. And if you know women don't appreciate it, then continuing to do it is merely the assertion of male dominance.
    Women's rights and equality are the same thing.
    Rush fucking Limbaugh invented the term in an attempt to paint the fight for equal rights as inherently extremist. Shame on you for using it.
    There are always outlying cases. To use them to belittle the entire movement is reprehensible.
    People who use that moronic term apply it to all feminists. Is that your position?
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well I'm sure some do, I don't know if it is most, but I don't see that as making it ok. If some/most people were to like having fingers shoved up their ass by random strangers, that would not make it ok to do that either. It is not ok to catcall any random women, even if some/most like it.

    Some women grow beards and mustaches too. Now if you can grow a beard (like me, proud member of the national beard persons society) and want to, do it, regardless if your are a man or a women, BUT very few women will be growing beards, because very few can. Likewise because, like beards, men and women have different subtle brain structures and as such men and women are going to have different aptitudes ON AVERAGE and different interests and desires ON AVERAGE. And therefor can't turn around and say "AAH look at this field here, it does not have 50:50 sex ratio, IT MUST BE SEXISM!" because is the lack of 50:50 sex ratio on ability to grow beards caused by sexism?
     
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    No its not wrong, but highly contradictory on your part, since you said before you decided to cast your insults my way.....
    I'm speaking of extremism shown by some and as illustrated in following articles.
    No one example is not most, and if a woman does not appreciate it then yes it should be stopped. Obviously though the woman in my example did appreciate it, as I'm sure others do and possibly see it just as a minor incident, not worth getting one's knickers in a knot about.
    If that was the case, I would not have started this thread, nor supplied articles supporting my stance.
    Feminnazis and their ilk exist, whether you want to deny that or not. Read some of the articles I supplied.
    Just as some reprehensible people did to Dave and Kittamaru in the other thread, I'm not belittling the whole movement, nor belittling equality. I'm belittling the fact that some have taken it too far for many reasons.
    Just as some feminazis would apply the moronic term "male chauvinist pig" to all male persons. And obviously if you have read all I said you would know the answer is no, that's not my position.
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Oh boo boo. Women used to commonly lose their careers just because they got pregnant.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, hence the need for equality as I've been trying to drum into you.
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    The insults started with your offsensive use of the term feminazi.
    I don't see the contradiction.
    Probably just observer bias on your part. It's a fact that most modern women object to such objectification.
    You would out of ignorance.
    You did both.
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Women have suffered in their careers whenever they violated social norms for decades, now as soon as a few men lose their jobs for harassing women, it's like the sky is falling. Another example of patriarchy and inequality. What do you want, a jury trial because you got fired? Go ahead and sue. Employers have a wide leeway to let you go unless you have a contract. At will employees can be fired for no reason.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Feminazis exist, as do male chauvinistic pigs, and all other forms of arseholes and low life...live with it.
    Neither does MR, river or Fat Freddy ever see their often contradictory posts.
    No no such thing. empirical observation yes.
    I've supplied three articles supporting my opinion.Perhaps you are just upset at being shown to have erred at least three times now.
    No that's simply you and your own bias, and has been absolutely refuted in what I have said, and the links I have included.
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Yes, you are.

    Hey, are you able to say the word "sexism"?

    (Funny story: Once upon a time, American conservatives found some entertainment in mocking people who used the word "racism" as a catch-all for bigotry. I admit, calling Islamophobia "racism" always did sound strange, but say the word "bigotry" and, wow, people start to lose it.)
     
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