Superhuman Intelligence

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  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    Ran in to this web page. What do you think?

    Superhuman Intelligence, Super Absurd?
    I posit that it might be impossible to be smarter than a human

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    Talk of the singularity, and of artificial intelligence in general, often assumes that computers or computer-brain combinations will eventually achieve superhuman intelligence. Any subsequent discussion speculates on when it will happen, whether it is a good thing, what will happen afterward, and so on...but the starting assumption, that there is such a thing as superhuman intelligence in the first place, is never questioned. I would like to put forth that idea that it might not be possible to possess superhuman intelligence. The very concept itself may be fundamentally flawed.

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  3. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    How can a human brain conceive of superhuman intelligence?
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Instead of "super humans" let us use the word "super repository" of knowledge. A machine will and many already do, contain more information than any human mind ever can hold. Machines benefit humans in many ways by allowing access to their memories which contain whatever the humans put into them. That makes them machines still, not anything close to what a human is.

    As for artificial intelligence that is another machine altogether. That is going to take a long time to develop to its highest level but already headway is being made today by have certain "programs" use "fuzzy logic" and other types of programs that allow computers process data that they receive themselves and act entirely on their own to decide which is a better decision to take in order to do their given task.
     
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    I doubt it. Kllatu is an example of how we conceive that intelligence. Very good question.
     
  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    why is it called superhuman intelligence? Is there any other kind? Is there superdolphin or supercat?
     
  9. kmguru Staff Member

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    We have a superdog that knows how to open the bedroom door by pushing up when I set up a rubber band to increase tension to push down....
     
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  11. John99 Banned Banned

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    ha ha, looks pretty confused. who mould pick a mutt to be super dog?
     
  12. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    A human brain by itself is not Turing-complete; it needs to construct tools (which may be as simple as pen-and-paper) to become a complete computer. Well done to Alan Turing, who thought up the idea of completeness; but I bet he used paper and pencil at the very least in his cogitations. In order to defeat Enigma he had to build a computer (with the aid of Tommy Flowers) or he would quite literally never have achieved the computations involved using mental arithmetic alone. He would have forgotten some of the numbers somewhere along the line.

    Superintelligence may use a human mind, or a human equivalent mind constructed artificially, as a basis; but it will include things like a vast and infallible memory (Turing himself would have failed on that account, if you took away his paper and pencil), the ability to imagine complex geometry and other types of abstract maths (and more importantly use that conceptualisation in pattern recognition and decision making), the ability to understand increasingly complex arrangements of parts (to quote your essay) and perhaps most importantly of all, the ability to examine and audit its own internal thought processes. Such self-knowledge and auditability is something which could take thinking to a whole new level.

    I would agree that none of this is really impossible for a human mind, or a group of human minds, if you allow them access to infinite databases, and analytical machinery capable of registering brain states accurately; but this would be a very slow process. So we can think of super intelligence as being both faster and more complex than anything a single human brain, or a community of human brains alone could manage; but not perhaps anything greater than anything that community could achieve given access to an arbitrary number of tools, (starting with pencil and paper, and working up to supercomputers and nanoscale MRI scanning equipment) and most importantly -to a sufficiently long period of time - could achieve.

    Imagine a society as complex as a city; now think of that city as being able to think conscious thoughts, examine relevant data and its own internal states using complex mathematical tools which a single human mind would struggle to conceptualise, then making predictions and decisions, and setting goals for itself; that is superintelligence.
     
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  13. kmguru Staff Member

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    Perhaps a group of human minds working together is the right path even though like our government, empty minds could be in the decision making roles...then what you have?
     
  14. Jon X Science Registered Senior Member

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    Don't you think that Biochips (Computer chips made using DNA) would be better than the normal silicon based Microprocessers, Silicon is bound to hit a wall when it comes to speed. So when they actually finally make Biochips that'll give way to better AI/Superhuman intelligence in computers.
     
  15. Pachomius Registered Senior Member

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    No need for superhuman intelligence but some superhuman machine.

    I think the more practical goal for man to achieve is to produce a machine that can do any task that man commands it to do, specially in getting answers to questions.

    For example, man has made a machine assemblage that can get to the moon and return, that saves man the trouble of getting there himself and just the same do things and see things on the moon.

    In regard to answering questions, I like to see man produce a machine that will answer our questions like

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    What are the flaws in the theory of evolution?

    Is there an agent who made everything in the universe?​

    There is really no need to produce a machine with superhuman intelligence, just a machine that will do whatever man commands it to do, in particular to answer any questions from man.



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  16. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    Some say every moment of our life is stored in memory. I don't think any machine will hold that much information. A single frame (I read somewhere) is equivalent (to some degree as they work in different ways) to 576 Megapixel - biggest cameras are to the extent of 10 Megapixels.

    If each frame in memory is as detailed as one frame in realtime I won't speculate though.

    We are still superior to most machines in many ways.
     
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  17. kmguru Staff Member

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    While it is true that human brain receives all the information 24X7, it is not true that it is stored with the same fidelity that it is received. Nature is very frugal. Every night, you go to sleep, it rearranges from the short term memory and stores only what it needs. Long term memory is compresses from time to time and only the metadata is stored. There is no reason to store how a pencil looks like and properties 10,000 times. Then the data is compressed perhaps using fractal mathematics which has the most compression ration that we know of.

    Of course we are sperior to our primitive machines. Nature had 750 million years of development time. Give the machines another 100 years.....
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Until you can give a machine an imagination it will be nothing more than a glorified calculator with probably <20 decimal places for conveniance....
    how can we give a machine an imagination I wonder?
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    Isn't the brain also just a glorified calculator, be it immensely advanced ?
     
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    A calculator works only with numbers and is much better at it than a human brain but a brain does everything else better.
     
  22. Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter Registered Member

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    "...how can we give a machine an imagination I wonder?" - Quantum Quack

    Have you forgotten that everything that is interpreted by a computer still has a human perceptual lense that the data is analysed through? When are we ever free from another human being's bias in their interpretation of our personal data?
     
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  23. John99 Banned Banned

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    the brain is very advanced.

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