That's OK James, as you and a few others that seem to know a thing or two, even if you appear as being somewhat stuck in that SR rut, as such you're smart enough to know where I'm going with this, and of why the moderators of this Sciforums, or "SciFoolems" as put by craterchains (Norval, are what they are. If need be, I'll restart a much cleaner topic upon what little I've learned about photons, and I'll even curtail the "intellectual incest borg" assignments whenever I can replace such with the likes of using the title of "wizard", or perhaps something even less truthful, as it seems the less honest the better the moderators of this Sciforums like it. BTW; what the heck do you think of that "eshal" guy? Any alternative notions as to how much atomic spin is normal, and of how much greater spin is possible??