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  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The bible isn’t just one book. It is a compilation of books. I’m quite sure you’re aware of that.
    Also, I doubt that folks sat around with their chisels and hammers thinking how to word stuff, so that their potential audience would comprehend it. I’m just saying.

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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, but I believe Genesis itself makes clear what is to be considered a day, the quotes you mention above were used in completely different context and were not based on a calendar, but more for philosophical thought. The Genesis quotes refer specially to a time frame.

    "And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."
     
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  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe they did think about making sure others understood, the text says ‘one day is like [or as] a thousand years’—the word ‘like’ (or ‘as’) shows that it is a figure of speech, a simile, to teach that God is outside of time (because He is the Creator of time itself). In fact, the figure of speech is so effective in its intended aim precisely because the day is literal and contrasts so vividly with 1000 years—to the eternal Creator of time, a short period of time and a long period of time may as well be the same.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. But we have a difference of opinion on it.
    That is your opinion, and I respect that.
    At what point in time, and from whose perspective, and vantage point?
    As far as I can tell, it is from Gods.
    But let’s say it is from a god, like Lord Brahma.
    I gave already gave you his reference of time.
    The god of heaven, according to Vedic cosmology, has a ridiculous time reference compared to ours, and nowhere near that of Lord Brahmas. That is how I look at it.
    All scriptures and cultures are connected. Obviously Christians don’t look at it like that, but I’m not of the Christian religion.
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    There are other scriptures which concentrate on these matters. So it is only a figure of speech if you choose to see it that way. There is no reason for me to disregard other scriptures.
     
  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Then you really should learn to write them as if they are your opinions, and not as some pronouncement of fact. I take it that during your absence from this site you haven't forgotten the difference between "it is..." and "I think it is..."?
    And if all you're going to reply is to say that we each have our opinion, probably better for you not to bother replying at all, as such a comment doesn't actually add to anything.
    And you're free to be wrong. So we're all free
    I so hope you were being sarcastic, realise how foolish you are being, 'cos otherwise it seems you think they would just chisel away without any intention of what they wrote being understood. And I'm reasonably sure even you aren't that ridiculous... but there's enough doubt in my mind to question it of you.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Definitely. And of course you'd have to include the Winterians to have a balanced view.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Reminds me of that scene from the Holy Grail:

    ARTHUR: What does [the carving] say?
    MAYNARD: It reads, 'Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Arimathea. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of AAAARRRGGGGHH!'
    ARTHUR: What?
    MAYNARD: '...The Castle of AAAARRRGGGGHH!'
    BEDEVERE: What is that?
    MAYNARD: He must have died while carving it.
    LANCELOT: Oh, come on!
    MAYNARD: Well, that's what it says.
    ARTHUR: Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'aarrggh'. He'd just say it!
    MAYNARD: Well, that's what's carved in the rock!
    GALAHAD: Perhaps he was dictating.
    ARTHUR: Oh, shut up.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, I read that from a variety of online articles from religious scholars, they all seem to agree it's a simile and not factual.

    While it may be from God's perspective, the books of the Bible were penned by men, so we have to either assume it was dictation from God or those men's own personal interpretations. From the perspective of religious scholars, who understand many of the things written were not factual but instead parables, which would indicate the concept of a day being a thousand years would seem more philosophical than factual.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's not just me who sees it that way. Have a look at some of the explanations religious scholars offer in regards to those quotes.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh shut up!

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    Then take a look at your own narrative.
    Hypocrite!
    Don’t bother responding to me if you’re going to have hissy fits. I’m not here for that.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I have done.
    But ultimately the decision, as a theist, is mine.
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    There quite a few religious scholars, throughout the last few hundred years, from various different cultures. Ultimately God- centered religious practise and insight is between the individual and God.
    That maybe yours and a few wester theologians understanding. But as I said it is ultimately a relationship between God and the individual.
    I know you don’t believe in God, but surely you can understand that, at least to some degree.
    I think some religious scholars can offer some insight into the historical aspect of scripture, and some do a pretty decent job of the philosophical aspect. But ultimately the spiritual aspect, the essential point of God based religions, is between the God and the individual. You understand that. Right?
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I totally get that, Jan, and I'm glad you understand that as well considering there are a great deal of religious folks who don't.

    I'm not sure, but are you saying that your relationship with God is such that you know for a fact one day equals a thousand years in regards to the quotes? Or, is it still more philosophical for you?
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Why would it mention 24 hours? What is your point?
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Sikhism is one God too.
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    He is, he's human after all.
     
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    So what would that achieve? What difference does it make? What are you thinking?
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is that so?
     

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