Submerged city discovered off the coast of India...

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  1. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    I am unduly flattered that you think I would care to listen in.

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  3. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Mr. G,

    I completely agree with you.

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    Take care

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  5. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Normally, I would expect my words to be thrown back at me as if they were original thoughts only if I was yelling them across the Grand Canyon.

    The Grand Canyon has no brain.

    What's your excuse?

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  7. kmguru Staff Member

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    Going back to the topic, just because technology advances to FTL drive or dimensional drive or whatever does not mean people would have evolved that fast. At our present rate, and comparing the teaching of Jesus some 2000 years ago, if you were born in 2 AD, you would think, 2000 years in to the future, there would be no war, oppression etc.

    Unless there is a worldwide genetic manipulation, our specis would not change much for the next 2000 years. There is nothing in our gene that will prevent war, murder or mayham. We control it via education and nurture. Take both away, we are back to the savage beast. So, just technology advancement does not co-relate with anti-war.
     
  8. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Mr. G,
    I used your own words to explain myself just because you can't disagree with them unless you disagree with yourself...

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    And it's funny to...

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    Kmguru,

    "Going back to the topic, just because technology advances to FTL drive or dimensional drive or whatever does not mean people would have evolved that fast. At our present rate, and comparing the teaching of Jesus some 2000 years ago, if you were born in 2 AD, you would think, 2000 years in to the future, there would be no war, oppression etc."

    As I was saying... if a civilization can survive our present stage of evolution without destroy itself, it won't have more wars and this kind of stuff because it would become CIVILIZED. We are not civilized yet... unless this word means the opposite I think it means...

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  9. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    True. Except that every so often in retrospect I wonder why I said certain things -- a form of disagreement with myself.

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    It is at such times that I must learn to be more mechanical and less spontaneous (precisely what the world would like but won't likely get)

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    So, anyway...

    At the end of the last ice age, some 11,000 years ago, the ocean surface was approximately 300 feet lower than it is today.

    It should come as no surprise to anyone that once high-and-dry encampments, villages and cities -- in the ancient, diminuative sense of city -- should from time to time be found as we explore the now submerged continental shelfs of the various continents.

    And it remains no surprise that some amongst us will see them as certain proof that fables really can evolve beyond their literary genre.

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  10. kmguru Staff Member

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    300 feet can expose a large body of land mass. Since the rich people live on the coast there should be all kinds of jewels and stuff to be found. May be we shall know what the life is like then....
     
  11. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    huhauaahahahhaahhahahahahhahahahhaahahahhaaaaaaaaaaa...

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    cool thing after a looong time...

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  12. The Metatron Registered Senior Member

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    Mabey its the remnents of the Rama empire and inside we will find the remains of a Vimana or some other lost technology?
     
  13. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Krishna's Dwarika?


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  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    I wish...Vimanas will not be sitting around to be covered by water....They and their pilots will be heading out to higher grounds. But if they find some advanced objects...that would be the day...
     
  15. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    I said Krishna's Dwarka because this was the city established by Lord Krishna himself and it went under immense floods.Rumors say that Krishna knew about the floods and therefore prepared a big a boat which was shown path by a Vimana towards a safer destination.the Vimana was Bought by Krishna himself for the direction getting...


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  16. The Metatron Registered Senior Member

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    I read that they could not only fly but could travel submerged in water. If this is true mabey one was left behind in the mass exodus of the city and since they were waterproof it is still perserved or enough of it left to be studied. Most liklely not but its fun to speculate
     
  17. Edufer Tired warrior Registered Senior Member

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    I love this subject for two reasons: the first one is because the original post by banshee was intended to give a support to the present global warming folly of "future sea levels rising". The second reason is because I like very much everything about Vimanas and ancient history of India, (flying "chariots of fire" shooting each orher with lasers and destroying islands and cities on the sky". Although I am supposed to be a scientific minded person, I will leave room for credibility to these mythological stories, as I am a firm believer there were ancient civilizations that have disappeared thousand and even millions of years ago.

    Let's see the sea livel rise first: for a sea level rise of catastrophic proportions, we must have water added to the oceans. Where does the water come from? We must understand that 97 percent of the water on Earth is in the oceans already. If one wishes to raise the sea levels, a termendous amount of water must be found and put into the ocean. It is generally <b>assumed</b> that the largest potential source of water to raise the sea levels is glacial ice. Most climate models today, however, <b>foresee increased precipitation</b>. If that were to happen, there is a good chance that sea levels <B>will drop</b> as much as 2 feet (60 cm) in the next century.

    The melting of North Pole ice will not affect the sea levels, as it is <B>floating ice</B> (if you press me for the technical reasons I will post them here; I don't do it now for the sake of brevity). But, fear not: after analyzing 27,000 temperatrue readings, Professor Johnatan Kahl (look for him in Google.com) found a statistical significante ternd in <b>the opposite direction</B> -- today the Arctic is collong. Both the Greenland and Antarctica ice caps have been growing in recent years. The top of an ice shelf is cold (about -50°C) and dry. Even the if the air temperature rose, say 6°C to 7°C, the ice cap would still have a temperature of -46°C, and the Ice Sheet would remain solid. The air temperature above the ice sheet must reach 1°C before ice would begin to melt, and it would take more than 5,000 years to melt the ice cap --if global warming could cause the temperature to rise that much (the rise predicted is only 2 to 4°C, so we have about 43°C to go before reaching the 1°C, the ice melting point).

    It is generally accepted that the rise of sea levels in postglacial time requird melting of ice a rate of 5,000 km3 for 7,000 years. (D.Y. Donovan and E.J.W. Jones, 1979, Royal Society London, Vol. 136, No. 187, p. 192). So the sea level rise is a slow matter, and couldn't be the cause for the covering of the ancient submerged ruins in India. The cause most probably be attribute to seismic events, sinking of the area --as it has happened before, ie: Atlantis or Lemuria, etc).

    But there is another subject: In a graph by F.P. Sheperd and J.R. Curray, 1967, <i>"Carbon-14 Determination of Sea Level Changes in Stable Areas"</i>, Progress in Oceanography, Vol. 4, (Oxford: Pergamon), p. 283, (see graph below) we can see that, at the supposed time of this lost city (8,000 to 10,000 years ago) the sea levels were about 10 meters lower than today, rising to about -2m by the year 5,000 before today. As these ruins are 120 feet under the water (that is 40 meters below the surface), the city should be much older (from about 16,000 years to 25,000 years old). Why?
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    Because the study shows that the sea levels have been pretty much steady along the history of the Earth planet for the last 150,000 years, but for two occasions: the sea levels began decreasing from 110,000 years ago from 0 level to about minus 120 meters (360 feet) by 54,000 years ago. Then the sea level began to rise again up to about minus10 meters by 30,000 years before now. Then again, the levels went down to another minus 110 meters by 20,000 years ago. Finally, the sea level started to grow for the last time until present levels --<b>zero level</b>. The graph show that levels today are the same as those of 180,000 years ago, and have never been higher than today.

    Where did all that water go when the levels went down to minus 120 meters? If we take a look at graphs of the geological past, we could see that there was an interglacial (warm) period by 200,000 years ago (roughly from 205,000 to 180,000 years ago, when temperaturs rose to 16°C. From there, they went down by 6°C to 7°C until another interglacial came by about 135,000 years ago (the Eemian) that lasted for about 10,000 years. It cooled again 7°C until about 12,000 years ago, when the present Holocene interglacial began to raise temperatures. We crossed the barrier of zero change by 10,500 years ago. According to Milantkovitch, we are due 500 years into a New Ice Age.
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    Why the sea levels (right after the Eemian) went down, up, and down again during a very cold time: 6 to 7°C lower than today? What caused the lowering and growing of sea levels during a cold period? Has anyone any explanation for this? Although I would love it, no extraterrestrials interventions, please.

    Excuse me, but I will throw in a new piece of this puzzle: during the last 100 million years, global mean surface temperatures and CO2 concentrations have been systematically decreasing. 50 million years ago, CO2 levels (2,000 ppm) were almost 6 times higher than today, but mean global temperatures <B>were barely 1,5°C higher than today.</B> Why it did not happen an out of control Greenhouse effect and boiling temperatures? During the Ordovician period, when CO2 contents were <b>16 times higher</b> than today, the temperatures in the tropics didn't increase, and in the higher latitudes there was happening the Gondwanan glaciation! (C.J. Yapp and H. Poths, 1992, Nature, vol, 355, pp. 342-344).

    I guess you have a lot to analyze and think. Go to work. But the lost city of India was not covered by raising sea levels because the dates don't fit. But now that I gave it a second thought, pehaps I could be mistaken. Who knows...
     
  18. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by Edufer
    *I love this subject for two reasons: the first one is because the original post by banshee was intended to give a support to the present global warming folly of "future sea levels rising".*

    :bugeye: May I ask how you come to the idea that the original post has anything to do with Global Warming?:bugeye:

    Time to take off your eye-shields Edufer. This subject has nothing, repeat: NOTHING! to do with Global Warming and/or your so called "future sea levels rising".

    I advice you to re-read the article and get rid of your tunnel vision...

    (apologies to the other posters here for being off-topic, I'll be back some later)
     
  19. kmguru Staff Member

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    I wonder sea level rise and fall could be attributed to major meteor impact with a few million megaton energy release if it impacted on water....just a thought...

    Oh! I love Indian mythology too. One says we came from the binary star system called Mizar (part of big dipper, I think). Somebody needs to focus a listening device to see if anybody still there....
     
  20. Edufer Tired warrior Registered Senior Member

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    Kmguru, the impact of meteors could be an appealing idea that deserves more research. Elaborating on that, I think the effects on sea levels could be enormous (huge tsunamis, etc), but those effects would be on a much shorter time scale, perhaps from months to some years, maybe not more than 10. The rise of the sea levels recorded in the studies I mentioned, lasted for many thousands of years.

    Moreover, asteroids big enough to make such big effects (lowering sea levels globally by 120 meters must have left a signal clarly visible (as the one that impacted on the Gulf of Mexico, blamed for dinosaurs extinction), as the oceans floor has been mapped and there seems to be no signs of such gigantic impacts. But, as always, there are many things we don't know yet, so the idea is still valid.

    I'll try to post some more on Indian mythology, the Vedas, Vimanas, the heroes and villains, and their cities suspended in the sky (in orbit?). It fascinates me how these things have been kept on record for more than 8,000 years!

    By the way, when I "previwed" my post, the graphs came on screen perfectly, but right now, they don't show anymore, so I thinl there must be a problem with the "freeserver.com" server. In any case, I am giving the links to the graphs so could see them directly (in case you couldn't see them)

    <A HREF="http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/images/150Ktemps.gif">Temperatures 150,000 Year Before present</A>

    <A HREF="http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/images/Eemian.gif">Lowering and Rising Sea Levels in the Last 150,000 Years</A>

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    Thanks you for not letting me show graphs to my friends!
    I call this "private bureaucracy".
     
  21. kmguru Staff Member

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    No, I can not see the picture file. May be the solution is to first delete from your earlier post (edit) and then copy from the location and upload to sciforums or drop it in a free webpage service or your own homepage and then link them...

    120 feet water volume is a lot of water - if made into ice and stacked in polar region, the height may be astronomical. If that volume is spread on the entire landmass, it will rise up to say 360 feet. I am not sure about that idea...
     
  22. Edufer Tired warrior Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah! But much more water are 120 meters (660 feet), the figure given by the studies.

    I made a copy of my post to our website, where you can see now the graphs. They are at:
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    <a href="http://mitosyfraudes.8kcom/INGLES/Underwater.html"> Underwater City</A></b>

    Go for it...
     
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