Stars older than the Universe ?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by river, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. river

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    Fill me in on your superior understanding of the Sun .

    On my post #35 , explain then the 6-7 spectral lines from the Sun , that are not explained . I await your superior understanding of Stars , that all of us are yet not familiar .
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what you are referring to? Fraunhofer lines? You need to be a little less cryptic. Is this because you really don't understand what you are talking about?
     
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  5. river

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    There are spectrum lines from the Sun that can't be explained .
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Which lines can't be explained and why can't they be explained?
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Riv will not explain. He will provide you with link to something he has read (without any context of his own), wherein they claim something can't be explained. Riv assumes that, if someone says "it can't be explained", that that makes it factually true that it is unexplainable by anyone.
    Show me I'm wrong, Riv.

    (Merely telling me I'm wrong doesn't count. Put your money where your mouth is.)
     
  9. river

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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Score!
    Link with no explanation, as promised.


    Riv, I don't think you even read that link:

    "The black lines in the Sun’s spectrum are caused by gases on, or above, the Sun’s surface that absorb some of the emitted light. "

    The number of gases that could be created for short periods of time in the photosphere is not easily determined (remember, they don't have to be elements, they could be short-lived molecules), so it's not surprising that we haven't tracked them all down.

    How does that lead you to the fusion model is nonsense? Don't answer that; it's a rhetorical question.
     
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  11. river

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    Some lines, however, remain mysteriously unidentified. It’s probably not the case that these lines are produced by weird and wonderful elements that don’t exist on Earth, but it’s a possibility.

    From the same site .

    By the way Dave I read the whole article , I just wanted people to do the same ; notice I didn't single out any particular part of the article . But you did , so evidently you did not read the whole article .
     
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  12. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    That means he doesn't like it. Proof is not a thing with river.
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You referenced the article to back up your claim. Your own article provides a (simplified) explanation.

    How you can possibly go from 'there's still some research there' to 'our understanding of stars is nonsense' (that's a quote) is an indication that you're merely sensationalizing.
    Why don't you just dial down the melodrama a bit? The universe is fascinating enough without fake news in science.
     
  14. river

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    What is fake about the article in my post # 46 .
     
  15. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    There is an explanation to this in nebel's Expanding Spherical Membrane model of the time dependent universe, in fringe/alternate/ALMA.
    Someone, not us, could observe stars that are 28 billion light years from us, although the universe is only 1/3 that age, and we that far from the Big beginning. (not laughing, just grinning).
     
  16. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    If this star is older than the Big Beginning, it must be more than 14 billion light years away, to have us sent light! No star can be more than ~ 40 billion LYs lookback time away, but still must be younger than the universe itself, according to the ESM model in ALMA lookback time.
     

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