Star Wars vs Star Trek

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They were meant to just protect and serve, but as you saw in the movie, they tried to wrest the power of the Republic from the senate and the Chancellor.

 

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The Falcon could only launch cuncusion torpedoes from two launchers, had shoddy shields though most of the books and movies, and two turbo laser batteries. I dont think they were full scale, but in the books they are described as turbolasers. In the essential guide they are called 'Quad Lasers'.

Compared to the Defiant which is a fully crewed biggish boat..... I think in this instance the Defiant would win. Unless of course Han decided to run away.

 

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Half of what that guys says in innacurate. He says that SW EU books are noncanon, whilst they, in truth, are liscenced canonical sources, approved and distributed by LucasArts.
The estimated power of the ISD's reactor is off by quite a bit. Furthermore, his assumption that SW ships are powered by fusion is false. They are powered by various types of solar ionization reactors and the DS & DS2 are powered by a hypermatter reactor. His assumptions on SW armor and weapon yields are off as well. His reckoning on the number of imperial ships are fucked up, as there are far more than just 1000000 ships in the Impie fleet, and the Empire fields other ships besides just ISDs and SSDs.
This "bob" is clearly deluded, and cannot think clearly, with his numerous false assumptions.

 

Typical trekkie.

 

how do you figure theres more then 1,000,000 ships in the imperial fleet?


also hypermatteris most likley a small dense sun

all discriptions and technical speculation point to hypermatter being ultra dense micro stars.

this would also be consistant with the power requirements of the DS.

and the defiant would mop the floor with the mellenium falcon.

a better match would be a runabout vs mellenium falcon.

 

What would happen if Emperor Palpatine was enslaved by the Honoured Matres? I'm pretty sure all Sith crave physical satisfaction (so Sith aren't all that random are they?) Instead of Bene Gesserit psychohistory, they's just use Honoured Matres. I also think the Bene Gesserit could create some religion that demonizes Jedi very easily.

I'm also pretty sure that The Tyrant could wipe the floor with Thrawn; he's good, VERY good, but just not good enough...

 

id still like to know why you think theres millions of ships in the imperial fleet.

maybe if you counted all the little dinky fighters.


but cap ships are another story.

all estimates ive seen are between 1000SDs and 25000SDs,and 10 SSDs.

 

More like the Honoured Matre would think she was in control but find she constantly defers to Palpaltine. And the Tyrant would get victory after victory untill he realized he lost everything chasing Thrawn around. Then Thrawn would sweep in and destroy what is left.

 

Forget Palpatine. The HM would have enslaved Thrawn, then used him against the Empire. Since it was suggested that he wasn't so much fighting for the Empire but to simply win the fight. Thrawn was the only alien in the imperial fleet to attain the position of Grand Admiral and with that came enemies in the fleet. The HM would manipulate Thrawn into doing their deed for them letting him take out those in the Imp Fleet that were openly defiant against him.

Now, lets say that the HM fail. Trawn would give The Tyrant victory after victory then Thrawn would come back and destroy him? Unlikely. Thrawn isn't an idiot and doesn't waste troops on a fight he cannot win. If anything Thrawn would try to side with The Tyrant (as he did with a Dark Jedi) to use Leto II's prescience to better calculate the outcome of a battle and since Leto II would know every possible outcome and ultimately the one that would actually happen, Thrawn would only be more drawn to help him.

Thrawn
Thrawn 2

 

Thrawn was too smart to be ensnared by a known threat. And, he was honorable, at least enough to not betray his own galaxy. He didn't even betray his people after they exiled him. The reason that he allied with that "Dark" Jedi (C'baoth was technically insane, not evil) was because he knew he could control him. Thrawn used whatever tools he had at his disposal, and this is what he was truly feared for. His strategic mind was efficiently deadly to have not ever truly suffered a loss. He had refused to fight when faced with insurmountable odds, but this was not a fault of his own. And, he is the one that positioned himself for "exile" back into The Unknown Regions, to build the Hand of Thrawn and to forge alliances for support against the dangers he knew were out there (the Vong). His mind could dissect an enemy's psychology from merely studying art of their race or culture. He had backup plans for every plan, and he studied both sides of all the major historical battles, what they did right or wrong, to adapt to any circumstance. And, consider that this scenario pits all history of Star Wars and all history of any other considered universe, like Dune. Consider then that, though we agreed early on that no more than one of any person, when they were at their most beneficial (most powerful), there were two to three different Thrawns, meaning that they are all acceptable as ammo for SW to use. With three separate Thrawn-lead fleets, how will you stand? It would certainly be difficult. Then, consider that all of Thrawn's race, though not necessarily trained the same or with the same personality, have a genetic predisposition to tactical knowledge. The entire Nuruodo Clan, responsible for defence of the Chiss Ascendancy, is made of elite soldiers and officers. They, in and of themselves, would be difficult opponents for any opposition.

 

Star Wars beats Star Trek hands down.

 

I'll give you every bit of that, all of which can be countered by serveral different Dune characters.

The fact remains that Thrawn was unbeatable, so was Miles Teg. Both were only trumped by the fact that they could only go on what was before them and since Paul, LetoII, Guild Navigators could all see alll the futures that were possible, plus be able to pick out the one that was going to happen, Thrawn and Teg would both be beat every time. If the future is already told and you are going to lose, how can you win?

 

Let's not forget Teg's other abilities...

 

But the Borg then send a globe ship in time to warn their brethren. The suppossed destruction of the Borg cube is a ruse. Borg decide to assimilate Darth and Palpatine as their species will add to the collective. Borg teleport their most evolved units into Death Star staff quarters and start assimmilation. By the time Darth and Palps discover drones, they are everywhere...

 

The Q entity may think this is a great game and even the odds

 

The Jedi accidently bump into the Tleilax god creatures and are assimilated into the unimind

 

But the Tleilaxu created the god drones as well

 

Tleilaxu god creatures? unimind? god drones? I've never heard of these... can you please elaborate?

 

Official statements place around 25,000 ISDs within the imperial fleet...and these are supposed to be the flagships of entire cluster fleets. Considering how many clusters of systems are in the SW galaxy, this would also point to there being millions of smaller ships in the Imperial Navy.

wow, and armed escort vessel destroying a modified freighter. How surprising...

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An armed shuttle v.s a modified frieghter.
Falcon of course. A shuttle is no corvette or frigate...and the falcon is simply more manueverable and better armed.