Why is everyone obsessed with SW these days ST is much better than SW. To be blunt SW sucks! I like it yes but it still SUCKS! ST is much better why dont ppl see this? I was in a chat room and we were *talking* about if the ST univerese met SW who would win in a fight. well they all said the Jedi would wave their hands and doa mind trick thing and the ENTIRE BORG collective would be destroyed while this is WRONG i could accept that but when i said to them that Q would not let the Jedi eliminate all species from that universe (becuase they would try to eliminate the Q) they said that the emperer would do some dark side thing and kill Q when i told them Q is a species and much more powerfull than the force they said the emperer cant not die... basicly i am saying ST would win against SW and ST is much much much much much BETTER Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Are you sure that this war of words with the SW people is really necessary? After all they are imaginary universes, with no basis in fact, just wishful thinking! Anyway, I do hope for a Star Trek future, but for that I think we need to work together as a people, that includes SW, B5, ST & non-SciFi peoples!!! Live long and prosper.
Lest you forget that without Star Wars, the recent resurgence of Science Fiction that led to the success of the returning Star Trek franchise, might not have occured. They are both very good and I cannot see we can't enjoy both for what they are: SW a space opera, and ST a more classic science fiction universe.
Oh come on we all know that Janeway would just go in there and kick some butt, not to metnion that if the Babylon5 universe got involved ST and B5 would team up and beat the crap out of SW. And yes I believe that ST would win the fight between the two because in ST you got all sorts of creatures, not just a stupid robot and a man who can choke people with his mind. Now if the Farscape Universe got involved it might have a different outcome.
aah..the old SW vs ST We had this discussion on the board two years ago. I think SW would win. There's not as much red tape and political bungling, so SW could go in for the quick kill. Plus the force. ST has ships and stuff but they aren't as good as SW ships. But I like both for what they are. They are two different shows and comparing them is a bit like Vanilla and Chocolate Icecream. Different flavours of the same substance.
"But I like both for what they are. They are two different shows and comparing them is a bit like Vanilla and Chocolate Icecream. Different flavours of the same substance." And I agree completely! But your forgeting that in the ST universe there is this being named Q he can do what ever he wants and is practically immortal, so if he didn't like your Mr.Choke hold guy then he would just throw him into space, and since time is meaningless to the Q he could just go back in time and kill Mr.Choke hold before he was even born. Better yet he could go kill George Lucas before he had a chance to make the Episode 1 film, because we all know we hated that, right? Or Q could just get rid of the SW universe it's that simple for him. And I agree that some of the SW ships are cool looking but on a Federation starship they have shields and can travel faster then the Millineium Falcon. So i yes I like starwars but when you get down to it ST would hurt them, hurt them real bad.
who is Q? Is he/she/it some sort of alien? But actually while in the real world Q could do that to star wars your forgetting that Star Trek is a TV show. No TV show ever takes the easy way out, they always have to do everything the hard way meaning that it aint going to happen. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"No TV show ever takes the easy way out." Really?!? Ever hear of Dallas does no one remember how that show ended, they took the easy way out. Besides Q is a very powerful alien. and there are these beings called the wormhole aliens and they took out an entire fleet of starships that were about to attack the federation! so please these aliens would protect the federation because they enjoy messing with it.
Weeeell... Mr Trekkie boy... Tell me one occupation in the ST universe that´s cooler than being a Jedi.. eh? Nothing beats a Jedi knight. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!StarWars rules!!!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Actually I do enjoy startrek immensly. But for hardcore mythological heroics, the starwars universe is the place to be Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I prefer William Gibson's and other writers of the Cyberpunk Genres image of the world and it's surrounding universe, Okay it's a little close to the here and now in comparison to ST/SW. Perhaps I'm the only one that dreams of Simstim stars, Perhaps metabolising into a Keyboard Samurai or Unwitting Cowboy.... Maybe A Panther Modern or an Artiste.... My personal favourite thought is looking at the similarities of Quantists and Johnny Mnemonic, okay you might not spot them... but I can sense them ..... Oh, And what are Jedi's or The Federation going to do about Black Ice and the rise of the artificial intelligences?
Oh I know what you really want Stryder. It´s the primate lovemaking simstim Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Hey, Isn´t Artoo and Threepio AI´s? Veeery scary Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But yeah, the federation really should worry ´bout the Panthers. They´d mess them up real bad. The federation is so subtly fascistic. Like good natured colonials that love showing off their grade of civilization and making first contacts looking down their noses. They need a good dose of techno anarchy Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
There are so many powerful aliens in ST universe. I am not talking about the humanoid ones that Human meets day to day. I am talking about aliens like Q, Specie 8472, the Caretakers, Wormhole aliens, etc. Also ST contains multi-dimensions, parallel/mirror universes, and time travels. Force is powerful, but then what will a jedi do if he meets his future himself?
I am talking about aliens like Q, Specie 8472, the Caretakers, Wormhole aliens, etc You left out the borg, Klingons, Romulans, who by the way all banded together to defeat the domnion, who are very powerful. Except the borg didnt help to defeat them but im sure if the federation would have lost the war that the borg would step in and asimilate everyone. P.S. Darth Vader can't control the borg, and the Klingons would just drive there ships into his ships because they dont really care. It would be honorable.
MuliBoy, Okay RTD2 and CP3O would be classed as artificial intelligences, but they aren't the same time as a Matrix consciousness potrayed within Gibsons world. I suppose I'm just whole heartly hooked to the idea of accessing "the Grid", travelling to the perimeters of someones system and viewing it in as VRML or a virtual representation. I could access the information that's available on a 2 dimensional pop-up, or step back and start firing packets at the Ice, to try and get around it's security... (Dum--dee--dum... *whistles* not that it's illegal or anything.) So the Ice starts melting at a good blow torch.... and low and behold, the security triggers an AI to intervene, and some stupid little *$@!£% taught them how to make your Virtual equipment (Gloves and visor) how to become a tool of torcher to teach you not to access with such a medium. (Boy! do we hate blackice...) So you have to unplug, or have the AI turn up your visor to blind you, or force a feedback of power through your gloves sensors to burn you. That's why when you watch the Simstim's you don't wear the gloves while your... contemplating whats going on, just incase that AI has shoved a timer on your gloves superconducting heat. As for the Monkey Simstim... That's snuff, we don't watch that Trash.... as for the Panthers, Well you must know they like to get their hands on state of the art equipment and warez, the federations mainframe would definitely be infiltrated. Maybe the Borg would learn the value of our AI companions, suffering at the hands of terminating Blackice.
How sad... Nobody wins the character comparison. Everyone's character is the best and will kick the butt of the other guy's. Stryder seems to be in some place that we have yet to penetrate. I love both to pieces, but must admit that ST owns a bigger chunk of my favor due to the amazing Enterprise. For the uninitiated I will recommend the undisputed king of science fiction in the book realm: Dune! I have yet to hear a good way to beat prescience!
Yeah Stryder, I wouldn´t say 3PO is a AI to worship (unless you´re a ewok of course) Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I can say I´m already jacking in to the network of organic superconsciousness through the psilocybin deck. There´s some serious hacking to be done with the code of material space and just wait until you stand avatar to avatar with the machinemonsters of corporate concrete. These things will go for the neurons right away and strangle you like a chinese fingertrap. Go limp and slip throught the fractal cogworks Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Flatline three times in one session and tamper with the ghosts of reality coding. Been there, done that. The mycel network´s been there since day one. It is pure code. Wanna sign up for psychonaut duty?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
ST vs SW Guys, guys, Lets try it this way. Who would win in the following match ups? C3P0 vs Mr Data Chewbacca vs Worf Skywalker vs Tash Yar Yoda vs Spock The Princess vs Seven And the badguys Emperor vs Borg Queen Emperors Elite Guard vs Klingon Empire Storm Troopers vs The Borg The entire starwars universe vs Q Lets not forget the specs of Enterprise E compared to the Falcon
need I remind you... this is between Star Trek universe and the Star Wars universe. I beleive st would win. the st universe is populated by MANY powerful species and the sw universe seems to be pretty scarce in the powerful species area... btw the sw universes tech is like 700 years at least behind that of st. they use LASERS and actual missles with explosives in them. sure they have a big ray gun that looks like a beach ball but what good would that do them if the st species decided they didnt like it and played kick ball with it? hell in the movies the rebels did it the hard way it was orbiting a moon.... make a bunch of "tractor" ships and disable the things engines and push it into the damn moonPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! the st species could do that or just blow the damn thing up. I like sw btw. the jedis are coolPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! but still all their useing pretty much is laser swords.and they all use lasers and iferior cloaking devices and explosivesPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! oh and some species still use kinetic weapons aka rifles and pistols.
I think the weapons in Star Trek are more powerful, but the ships in Star Wars could easily outrun them. Remember in The Empire Strikes Back, when the Millenium Falcon is being chased by the Star Destroyer, and they elude them by attatching on to the back of it. The crew of the Star Destroyer think they went to hyperspace and one of them says that the Falcon could be at the other end of the galaxy by now. Compare that with the 70 yr trip that Voyager was expected to make just to get to the alpha quadrant. Those darn warp engines were proven to be damaging to the environment too in one episode of TNG. The Millenium Falcon is so tiny and efficient compared to the snail-crawl of the goliath Enterprise. You trek people are still using those slow, bulky, environment-damaging warp engines when you should be investing in cheap, clean, efficient hyperdrive units Xwing fighters would run circles around those shuttlecrafts, and their proton torpedos could knock out the shields in a couple of hits. Yoda and Mr Spock would probably fly off to debate the existence of the universe and those Lightsabers could turn those Klingon weapons into paperclips. I agree that Q would be able to wipe out the Star Wars universe, but knowing Q, he would just sit back and grab some popcorn
err...no offense drac but the x-wings use lasers..almost all ships in the sw universe use lasers and the proton torpedoes are still regular explosives! anyways that was a galaxy class ship in tng now i think its an excelsior class and voyager has the most advanced warp engines the federation has. and that officer was just giveing a huge distance just to say that it was to far away to go after now. its some sort of english term thing dont know what though. in the sw universe they put alot of power in one place theyre big ships and stuff well if you just blow that one up thats alot of their power gonePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
