Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by USS Athens, Aug 29, 2007.

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Which is better?

  1. Star Trek

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    48.4%
  2. Star Wars

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    51.6%
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  1. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Told from New Republic's Perspective

    One thing to consider is that the Star Wars story is told by from the droids' perspective who, according to recent novels, are under possession of the New Jedi Order as well as the New Republic. "A long time ago" is a relative statement that is made for clarity concerning the period of time these events took place relative to a New Republic that was established decades after the Great Purge/Clone Wars. In other words, Star Wars is currently centered around the era of the Galactic Alliance, New Republic and Imperial Remnant, and the history of how everything got to be (with the Solo family, the Skywalker's and everything) is what A long time ago... refers to. Duh?
     
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  3. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    no Scott, now your just making stuff up

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    , you have been argueing for the past two years that your ISD's produce power in the terawatts, and the second i mention exowatts you pull this crud out, if this were true, you would have brought it out a long time ago.
     
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  5. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    False. The droids were merely characters, not the stroytellers. The story was originaly based around Luke Skywalker. Until 1-3 were made, and then we find out it is really focused around Anikan Skywalker/Darth Vader.

    Ok I'll go along with that. But Star Wars relative to Trek, is in the past(Even the New Republic). Think of it like this: Wars is righ as we speak in the New Republic Era. But Trek is in the future and still is hundreds of years ahead of Wars.
     
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  7. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    That's a load of bullshit.

    You didn't prove anything. You're just quoting one or two books from a biased writer who's been proven wrong at every turn and hoping it will fly.

    It won't.

    Which means, it's more likely to be fusion.


    ...The fuck, no it isn't.

    Fusion reactors and reactions are based on the opposing idea of nuclear fission, which is breaking apart atoms. In fusion, you push them together with such heat and density that it overcomes the opposing charges of the atoms and results higher reactions than fission. With antimatter, you're taking two particles with opposite charges and colliding them together. Due to their opposing charges, they will have a 100% energy release.

    Fusion and M/AM reactions are very, very different things.
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    No, I am quoting canon material and making minor calculations. Simple ones really. And I was never claiming terrawatts for a hole ISD. Just one measly cannon that MANY capital ships carry multiples of.


    You really need to work on your comprehension.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, if we go by current Earth date, it has been ~ 7 billion years since the Battle of Yavin. And while yes ST is a few hundred years in our future, even the most advanced Federation Ships circa the end of DS9 would take roughly 200 years to cross the galaxy (voyager originally needed 70 to get across about a third of it) SW exists in a larger galaxy (120 thousand ly as oposed to our 90-100 ly) And even civilian ships in x4 hyperdrives (slow, the trip takes 4 times longer than it should have) can cross the galaxy in 12 to 16 days.
     
  10. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    YOu don't know StarWars


    Apparently you didn't understand what I was saying. Do you not remember on SW III: Revenge of the Sith when Senator Organa says, "Have the protocol droid's mind wiped." This is because C-3PO can talk and if captured, would reveal everything to the enemy about what goes in with the Rebel/Republic movement. R2-D2, on the other hand, can't talk basic and therefore would have to have his internal database cracked (by some crazy algorithm) to release his information.
    Do you not consider how they were at the battle in the stadium on Geonosis, R2-D2 was at the final battle of Obi-Wann and Anakin, and on SW Episode V, it's seems like artoo was trying to establish a wireless connection to one of the rooms of the structure in Bespin Cloud City to see what was going on with Luke and Darth Vader. They've witnessed just about everything except a few battles of the Outer Rim territories, such as the Battle of Kashyyyk and didn't see most of the Great Jedi Purge.

    Perspective makes history, neophyte!
     
  11. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    You almost have a point there, but there are a lot of events shown throughout the the saga the droids had absolutely no knowledge of. Neither of them witnessed Luke confronting the Emperor or the Fleet battle above Endor. Neither of them witnessed the meeting on the Death Star where Vader almost choked a flippants imperial to death. Neither of them witnessedLuke taken by the wampa or Han's miraculous rescue of said Jedi from the wastes of Hoth.

    The movies are shot from a 3rd person Omniscient view.
     
  12. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Okay

    Would you agree, then, that the information stored in R2-D2 adds clarity to the history of the Jedi, what happened during the Clone Wars, and the rise of the Skywalker's.

    (Besides, what if the force told the Jedi about what was happening based on "sensing it")
     
  13. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    While in story the Droids obviously added some knowledge to the rebel side, the movies themselves and thus the tale is shot from an omniscient 3rd person perspective. If the move was shot from the POV of the droids then you would have a point.

    Remember the Dark Side clouds Force masking the the ability Jedi to get even a half assed read. Otherwise Palpatine would have been facing the Jedi COuncil all at once. Also it is not any easier to look into the past with the Force than it is to look into the Future. Only by strict training of several different abilities can one perform such an actwith clarity and even that is from the POV of a single person. Otherwise Jedi would be able to solve every mystery byt looking into the past.
     
  14. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    STAR WARS WINS!
    they have pan-galactic travel within hours,ships far surpassing star trek ships in size
    and firepower,they have a far more advance level of infrastructure proven by building 60% of the 900 km second death star in less than 5 years,they have they jedi and the sith,war droids,more super weapons than you can count on you'll both hands,
    and i am not even started! a sith alone could inflict a federation fleet in chaos!
     
  15. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    That's basically what I've been trying to tell people. Star Wars has the Force, and there's ton of Force abilities that could knock out a space fleet (esp. when considering the Sith). Star Trek has no such thing, and so a wielder of the Force alone would counter Star Trek's technological feats. Being a fan of Star Trek doesn't give ST any more credentials than SW, in which SW is always the winner. (Go to starwars.wikia.com and look up the Force and Force abilities and read a book... about Star Wars!)
     
  16. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i did not even mention the FACT the sith were actually able to induce
    a star to go supernova,not to mention here the Suncrusher!
    oh,and these are not from the movies,but i suggest you trekies quote some
    books,cuz just with the series and movies,star trek has even LESS
    to compare!
     
  17. Naturelles Future Scientist Registered Senior Member

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    Great guys, I voted Star Wars and tied the vote now.
     
  18. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Yoda- Felucia


    Do you remember on SW Ep. III Revenge...Sith how Yoda sensed the execution of Order 66 and the scene right after his sensing of it on Kashyyyk, it started to show the Jedi fall one by one. I think his mind's eye might have been seeing the events happen. (Besides the Emperor's clouding of the Jedi senses kind of stopped when his Sith allegiance was revealed).
     
  19. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    If this is the case, and the SITH are so powerful, then why do warsies always bitch out when somebody mentions Q ?

    We have SW universe vs Star Trek, and this is EVERY species, heads up, to the death. Star Wars could not win without destroying the Q, because what are you going to do, make friends with them?
     
  20. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    you are forgetting something:unlike the Sith, the Q don't mess with 'lover'
    life.
    Messing with lower life is the Sith favorite sport; the Q don't care!
     
  21. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Star Wars is the force. Q is just a minor character, popping in once or twice a season.

    And another thing, just as how you trekkies say that the Rebels would ally with the feds, wouldn't the cardassians and rommulans team with the Empire?
     
  22. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, Rebels have no reason to ally with the feds.
     
  23. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Both of you are ignorant. The Q continuum consists of many Q beings, one of which was aboard Enterprise D working with Beverly Crusher. The Q (John de Lancie) said she can stay if she refrains from using her powers, and she (Amanda Rogers) agreed, only to be presented with an event where many lives would be lost if she didn't intervene and guess what...

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    Also, it doesn't matter; If it's a heads up battle of all the beings in one universe against the others, period. The Star Wars universe would have to win against ALL of the Trek universe, not just the ones you think you can pick and choose to be involved.
     
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