Splinter: Police Corruption vs. the Presumption of Nobility

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Captain Kremmen, Apr 6, 2014.

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  1. (Q)

    (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It would interesting to be a fly on a nearby wall in which Tiassa is being mugged and beaten, with cops standing nearby thinking, should we save this guy's life?

    Nah, Fuck 'em.
     
    (Q), Apr 7, 2014
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  3. Tiassa

    Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    They're All Just Bricks In the Wall

    To borrow a phrase from Roger Waters, each small candle lights a corner of the dark.

    The wall is bigger than any individual brick.
     
    Tiassa, Apr 7, 2014
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  5. quinnsong

    quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe a thread on how to break down the blue wall would be a better way of approaching this.
     
    quinnsong, Apr 7, 2014
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  7. Tiassa

    Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    True dat

    Indeed. And it would have the benefit of being on-topic.
     
    Tiassa, Apr 7, 2014
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  8. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  9. Gremmie

    Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Well Cap... First of all, he can permaban me at will...and, I'm guessing he will soon. Also, there's just no reasoning with him. His opinions have become facts... Mine are all lies, LEO,'s always lie. We just can't help ourselves. He's delusional, and I just don't have the time for it. He's a cyberbully. Fuck it.
     
    Gremmie, Apr 7, 2014
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  10. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, right. Banning.
    I can accept that.

    I noticed the "Off topic" remark.
    He knows his position is indefensible, so he wants to close it down with moderator talk.

    And he talks about Police abusing their authority.
     
    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  11. Gremmie

    Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    He hates all authority figures...Well except himself. I used to respect you dude... Those days are over. You're nothing more than a self serving, power mad troll... Seig heil.

    Don't mean you, Cap... Lol
     
    Gremmie, Apr 7, 2014
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  12. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    No, I know you mean me.
    I'm a very tough Pirate.
    Sometimes I'm afraid of myself.
    I'm just so strong and Piratey.
     
    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  13. Gremmie

    Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Piratey? Is that even a word? Lmao...
     
    Gremmie, Apr 7, 2014
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  14. Sorcerer

    Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    It's strange. As I said above, I respect Tiassa who has take the time and trouble to explain a few things to me about what's going on here, and has always been fair in his dealings with me. I think he's been unfair to Gremmie in this thread, and obviously has a thing about cops. Maybe he has some genuine reason to feel like that.

    There are issues with the US criminal justice system which I've discussed on another forum, but they didn't particularly address this topic, mainly plea-bargains, death penalty, prison population, private prisons. Maybe I'll start a thread on that when I've finished my book (nearly done!).
     
    Sorcerer, Apr 7, 2014
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  15. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    @Tiassa
    This discussion is hot now.
    Why not split it?

    Or maybe back off on this mad tirade against cops you've been indulging in.
     
    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  16. Aqueous Id

    Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Whoa. I went off to play reality games and when I got back this had turned into a "Demonizing Cops" thread.

    What the--? :bugeye:
     
    Aqueous Id, Apr 7, 2014
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  17. Gremmie

    Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for that... There are always the good and the bad. I am proud of my service... I always tried my best. I have no regrets. Despite what certain people would say.
     
    Gremmie, Apr 7, 2014
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  18. Gremmie

    Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    All cops are lying pieces of shit, it would seem... So, never trust me. You'll piss off a supermod.
     
    Gremmie, Apr 7, 2014
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  19. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Quite right. That could be it.
    Actually, it was myself who started insulting cops in the first instance.
    I have been so sickened by a particular report coming out of America recently about the abhorrent and needless shooting of a homeless man,
    that I made a rash and wrong remark about the intelligence of American Police.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ue-your-guide-to-the-police-shooting-protest/
    On being called on it, I retracted that remark.

    It was compounded by the fact that a protest by locals in Albequerque, was met by police dressed like this:

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    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/albuquerque-police-website-under-cyberattack

    I must admit that the words " Fucking Nazi Goons" came to mind.

    Yes. I can easily understand how people could be annoyed by the American policing system.
    But to attack all cops en masse, stupid.
    And Tiassa knows it.

    Also, if as Tiassa has stated, Police can present evidence which must be accepted unless the suspect can provide proof that the officer is lying,
    and that police can destroy vital evidence without that affecting the trial, then that is a matter of bad law.
    Not bad cops.
     
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    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  20. Fraggle Rocker

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    No. There are only two ways to be Jewish.
    • 1 Have a Jewish mother.
    • 2. Undergo a conversion. This is not too difficult for a Gentile woman marrying a Jewish man, because his family wants his children to be Jewish and that requires that their mother be Jewish. But it's much more difficult for a Gentile man marrying a Jewish woman, because her children are automatically Jewish so her family doesn't have to worry about it. Unless you can find one of the most liberal Reform congregations (which you won't find in Israel!) you basically have to undergo a bar mitzvah--in compressed time! You have to be able to read and interpret passages in the Torah in Hebrew. You have to do a mitzvah (a good deed). Here it might mean volunteering at an animal shelter, but in Israel it's gonna be something very Jewish. There are other requirements. Oh, and did I forget to mention, if you're not circumcised you have to get that done too?
    Marrying a Jewish lady will give you permission to become a permanent resident of Israel, but it does not make you Jewish. And if she divorces you, you could be deported while she gets to keep her Jewish children.

    I'm an unrepentant pig-hating hippie. Nonetheless, when it comes to guns I feel safer standing next to an armed cop than an armed soldier or an armed member of the National Rifle Assholes. Most cops go through their entire careers without ever drawing their guns except on the practice range.

    And in most municipalities of any size, the cops have to go to some kind of academy and pass all their courses. This includes a personality evaluation so people like George Zimmerman need not apply. They tend to be able to read people very well, which reduces the odds of shooting the wrong person. And they're taught to do it even better: lessons in body language, etc.

    Unfortunately here in suburban Maryland there's been a real uptick in incidents of cops shooting dogs. Your dog is outside doing his job of keeping strangers off of his territory. A fucking goddamned cop decides to take a shortcut across your lawn while chasing down two teenagers sharing a doobie. Your dog springs into action and tells him to get the hell offa his property. And the fucking goddamned cop SHOOTS HIM.

    Is this a morality tale: It's okay to shoot someone who's doing his job? Does that mean we can shoot cops whenever they're on duty? How about politicians? No--wait. They are actually NOT doing their jobs, and that's the problem.

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    Fraggle Rocker, Apr 7, 2014
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  21. Sorcerer

    Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    C'mon! Those protestors look really dangerous! The police need to protect themselves, after all.
     
    Sorcerer, Apr 7, 2014
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  22. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, the Nazi thing did not arise unprovoked.
    I know it's a cliche to say someone is like a Nazi.
    But, if you want to avoid that kneejerk reaction, why look exactly like a Nazi?
     
    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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  23. Captain Kremmen

    Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The trouble with law is that all laws are restrictions on freedom.
    And if the duty of Government is primarily to make laws, then the effect of Government is decreasing freedom.
    Perhaps the Government should be in charge of Finance, and Taxation, and leave individuals rights to some other body.
     
    Captain Kremmen, Apr 7, 2014
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