Spin off thread: satire versus insult

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Baron Max, Mar 14, 2009.

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Scott:The message, as far as I'm concerned, is that you don't like me, something that I think was relatively clear before your last message anyway. I think you could have used less words to say so, and certainly less insulting ones, but to each their own.

    Okay you didn't get the message. I don't like nor dislike you. The message is your list crusade is silly and you should stop harping on it and get on with what we all do here. My use of insulting expletives is a show of defiance against this crusade of yours. You see it isn't as much fun to use expletives towards someone who is indifferent towards them but since you have such delicate sensibilities it...well it makes the use of them that much more delicious. That's what happens when you go about censoring something or listing something as 'taboo' it makes people want to do it even more.

    If I simply didn't like you I would have had you on ignore and that would be that. When you read my posts you miss the sarcasm and see only insult, you also miss the tongue-in-cheek and irony.
     
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  3. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    Of course he misses the sarcasm. Scott3x has to be the most literal and pedantic person on these boards.
     
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  5. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Perhaps I have. However, I was finding that others liked my definition of religion, over in the religion forum, although I got a fair amount of interference from a certain Skinwalker and so I left it at that. Dictionary definitions vary and they can be changed as well. People are free to define words any way they like when not dealing with the law, and religion is certainly a fairly broad term. As I've stated before, I believe the best definition of religion is a set of beliefs. That definition is simply shortened from a dictionary definition that then added a few things ("A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader", to be precise). I don't mind the idea of practicies (I certainly have some; they include showering in the morning and trying to get something productive done in the day), and as long as those practices can be based on the teachings of multiple 'spiritual' teachers, I'm fine with the rest as well.


    When I define relatively broad terms such as religion, I think it goes a long way to clarifying what I mean, yes.


    Indeed. Which is why it's good for their to be house rules in a virtual community.


    No, I'm not. I'm telling you that there are better ways of halting truly problematic off posters then insulting them.


    I think it's you who's missing the point.


    Mm. Perhaps "hey you" in the right tone of voice would be enough, coming to think of it.


    Again, you're missing the point. You consider some words to be insults, atleast when children are around. I wanted to know what those words were, but apparently you don't want to tell.


    I have asked for some changes. I think it would be beneficial to everyone, not just myself.


    More insults, sigh...


    You said more. Apparently you've forgotten already...


    I'm glad you learned something anyway.
     
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  8. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Forgive me if I fail to believe your indifference; I think I have a fair amount of evidence that suggests what I've previously stated.


    What many of you do here is treat each other callously. You're certainly no exception. I was simply attempting to change this.


    It's callous and possibly hurtful.


    So you have a sadist streak, atleast with words.


    By that logic, the fact that murder is taboo makes people want to do it 'even more'. I don't buy it.


    Perhaps you simply haven't yet reached that point; you may have noticed, for instance, that I haven't returned fire, atleast not in the typical insult laden fashion.


    You know I don't like insults, so you stuff your posts with them? You honestly think I'll be carefully analyzing them for sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek irony? I take one quick look at the amount of insults and simply snip them off. You might consider thinking a little more of your intended recipient's tastes...
     
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  9. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I don't know why you quoted that poem, but if you were implying something about me, I will simply say that you really don't know me.
     
  10. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Only if they have no intention or desire to be understood by others.

    Except for the slight problem that you are not the authority on what words mean.

    And is it also good for ONE person (in the main) who is relatively new to come along and try to alter things to suit his personal preferences?

    And I'm telling you that MY methods are not yours.
    And if you don't like like that idea then it's simply your hard luck.

    Hardly, since it was my point in the first place.

    It doesn't convey quite the same implicit threat, but you're welcome to try it.

    No, it's you who are missing the point - go back and re-read what I actually posted, not what you wanted to read.

    That's quite correct - YOU think it would be beneficial.
    This forum has survived quite well without you for a long time, and frankly, I'm hoping it will have the opportunity to do so again in the very near future.

    Missed point again...
    You are becoming quite tedious.

    Oh no, I could quote it verbatim.

    Oh not new at all, not by a long shot.
     
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  11. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Scott: Forgive me if I fail to believe your indifference; I think I have a fair amount of evidence that suggests what I've previously stated.

    It isn't about you Scott, its the silly list that has piqued everyone's interest and your insistence on peddling it. Its a mistake to take words so literally, they are not always meant to be taken literally.

    Scott: You know I don't like insults, so you stuff your posts with them? You honestly think I'll be carefully analyzing them for sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek irony? I take one quick look at the amount of insults and simply snip them off. You might consider thinking a little more of your intended recipient's tastes...

    Most people don't have to analyze a post or a statement to find irony, sarcasm etc. but you do from what I understand. Well here is the thing, I nor anyone else has to tailor their posts to suit the recipient, you may want to try and learn not to take them so personally. There is a difference between you (scott in actuality) and the words applied to you.

    Scott: What many of you do here is treat each other callously. You're certainly no exception. I was simply attempting to change this.

    We sometimes do but there is no real harm in it and most people don't even care. Its not something that you can change, its part of the nature of the site. Now if you go through most threads they go on just fine without any expletives or major insults but it is something that is on occasion naturally occuring, there is nothing you can do to change that. The mods for example are not policemen they are simply here to keep complete bedlam at bay. You know Scott sometimes insults can be fun too, its like verbal sparring and it can be enjoyable for those who are spilling it out and a challenge for those who respond to them.

    Scott:It's callous and possibly hurtful.

    Scott you need not feel hurt, these are only words my dear. It may seem very callous to you but try and understand that in a medium like this people are responding to words on a screen to ideas. Most members have very thick hides and can handle as good as they get, no problem, which is why it might be helpful for you to learn and not take it personally. No one is trying to hurt you personally...not even me. I'm just a bit obstreperous that's all. But please understand that no one here is going to change their style because of one or two members. Like I said most here have very thick hides and not easily deterred or bothered by expletives and insults. If you are so very sensitive to that kind of thing then you can either limit your exposure to sciforums or simply ignore people when they become too belligerent with you, asking for lists rules and regulations, botherin mods etc. won't work I'm afraid.

    Scott: So you have a sadist streak, atleast with words.

    Actually its called being bolshy with a good sense of humor. In order for anyone to be sadistic they have to have the ability to watch another be in pain. A sadistic person would have probably used personal information they had about you in a way to make you vulnerable, I didn't do that. A sadist enjoys anothers suffering. If words make you suffer that much understand no one would want that for you, which means you might consider limiting your use of sciforums, or using it in a way that makes you feel safe from too much raucous behaviour. I suggest this because neither I nor anyone else is going to adhere to any list you have in mind nor refrain from calling a spade a spade or an idiot an idiot.

    Scott: By that logic, making murder taboo would make people want to do it 'even more'. I'm sorry, but I don't buy your logic.

    Murder is crime not a taboo.
     
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  12. Liebling Doesn't Need to be Spoonfed. Valued Senior Member

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    Despite your assumption otherwise, not everything is about you. I know you would love it if it were, but it's simply not the case, Alice. I honestly don't care, I was playing with Lucy (who is the crocodile I was referring to), because she's interesting. I'd play with Oli, but he's too busy running circles around you with logic and rationality. It would be amusing, but he keeps slowing down so that you can catch him but you never quite make it there.

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    Poor thing doesn't even know he's lost, or how to ask for directions even if he did know.

    Perhaps the flowers know...

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  13. Liebling Doesn't Need to be Spoonfed. Valued Senior Member

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    `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.

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  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Great!

    /Sways to beat of drums..
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Tis madness my fair Leibling:


    Who knew the English language could amount to so much confusion. I am still trying to wrap my mind around this gem:

    "Dictionary definitions vary and they can be changed as well. People are free to define words any way they like when not dealing with the law, and religion is certainly a fairly broad term. As I've stated before, I believe the best definition of religion is a set of beliefs. That definition is simply shortened from a dictionary definition that then added a few things ("A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader", to be precise). I don't mind the idea of practicies (I certainly have some; they include showering in the morning and trying to get something productive done in the day), and as long as those practices can be based on the teachings of multiple 'spiritual' teachers, I'm fine with the rest as well."

    So Eaglet says: Speak English! I don't know the meaning of half those long words, and I don't believe you do either!

    Then in pipes The Duchess:
    If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a great deal faster than it does.

    Mock turtle takes umbrage: Reeling and Writhing, of course, to begin with, and then the different branches of arithmetic -- Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision. We called him Tortoise because he taught us.

    Careful everyone. Chop chop the queen:
    Now, I give you fair warning, either you or your head must be off, and that in about half no time! Take your choice!

    Tiffed by all the member logic Mock turtle asserts: What is the use of repeating all that stuff, if you don't explain it as you go on? It's by far the most confusing thing I ever heard!

    Our merry King Oli ever so jolly tries as best he can: Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop.

    Unconvinced Alice says:
    I don't believe there's an atom of meaning in it. Oh, how I wish I could shut up like a telescope! I think I could, if I only knew how to begin. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
     
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  16. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    So it's acceptable to call someone, perhaps yourself, a spineless, brain dead parasite, as long as I redefine this to mean an involved, community spirited writer?
     
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    Haha, wait until you see Tiassa's posts.

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  18. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Naturally, if a person is going to define a word in an unconventional way, they should first be clear as to how they're defining the word. I have done this.


    Apparently you've forgotten what I said above. Once again:
    People are free to define words any way they like when not dealing with the law.

    Normally I follow the dictionary definitions to a tee, but there are some rather variably defined words that I prefer to go my own way on.
     
  19. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    scott3x, you are a fuckhead!

    Where fuckhead = Really cool guy.
     
  20. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    It is not up to "a person" to define or redefine a word.

    No I didn't forget it - I ignored it because it is arrant and specious nonsense.

    Then go your own way: don't expect the rest of us to follow since you are incorrect - the definition of a word comes from common usage - a single individual does not and cannot constitute "common usage".
    Unless of course you want to redefine that term as well.
     
  21. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I think you're missing the point. I've tried to make things more polite here. I think that I've succeeded to some modest extent. Simply because I haven't spent years here shouldn't mean that my arguments are passed up because of it.


    Obviously.


    I don't care whether our ideas differ per se; what I care about is the best way to deal with problematic posters. I believe that moderators have better tools to deal with them then non moderators.


    As if you are the only person to make points here. My (counter)point to your point that the best solution to problem posters is to shout them down is that moderators have better tools to deal with such posters.
     
  22. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Made progress? Really? You should look at what's going on in the assisted suicide thread. Asguard and Brian have practically used every word on your list!
     
  23. scott3x Banned Banned

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    You said you don't consider anything to be a 'base insult'. But you do have some words that you wouldn't want your children to be exposed to. Can you atleast give this concept a shorter name then 'words i don't want my children to be exposed to'? It's just rather long, you know? I think that 'insults' should qualify myself. Then you might consider telling me atleast a few of the terms that are in that list.



    You seem to be implying that I'm causing it troubles. I can certainly agree I may have caused irritation; I would argue that I'm fairly truthful in what I say and you may be aware that at times, it's painful to face the truth. I know that you seem to care little about weighty matters that you actually have very good gifts for (I think you know what I'm talking about), but I believe your lack of effort in this and other areas won't help you in the long run. Anyway, I've already found another forum and I have just put in my first post. So perhaps I will be spending less time here in the near future. At times, it's good to not have to see too much truth at once. But while facing the truth may be painful, it's not actually bad for you; sometimes you need bitter medicine to truly cure an ailment.


    So you say. What I -know- is that it seems hard for you to let go of the insults. I will admit, however, that you have been relatively polite, which is why this has gone on so long...


    Well, Mr. Verbatim, this is the more I was referring to (pretty much everything you skipped over):
    if I even slightly suspected you were smarter than you appear... but I'm afraid that just doesn't seem to be the case.
     
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