Hay RandWolf... do you have any scientifec evidence that slappin a kids face is ever a good thang.??? A study in suport of both sides has been presented (big surprize... lol)... but the anecdotes from both sides have been quite instructive... an you gave plenty of anecdotal evidence you'rself... includin how you raized Wolfs... LOL.!!! Below is snips from the post you refered to earlier... an you have said that you only advocate hittin a child when thers a clear an present danger... well in the story you present below... you hit her after the threat of danger had passed :bugeye: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2385015&postcount=99 Yes it was you who peaked her interest in the hot iron... an when she demonstrated that she didnt fully understan what hot ment... that woud have been the perfect time to esplane to her that thangs dont have to be red to be hot... ther was no clear an present danger... an hittin her an makin her cry was totaly unnecesary.!!!