Spanking children, a parent's right ?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cazzo, Aug 20, 2008.

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When it comes to parents spanking their kids butts :

  1. The UN should be able to criminalize spanking for ALL parents everywhere.

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  2. Only individual states or countries should criminalize spanking if they want.

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  3. Parents should be allowed to spank their own children, it's their buisness alone.

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  4. Other.

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  1. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Again Q, How many times do I have to tell you I am not afraid of my mother. The only time I approach her with apprehension is when I have to tell her something I'm afriad will make her disappointed in me. Like most children I'm eager to please. I do admire my mother very much so. So the answer to your question would be yes, I do admire someone who has hit me. When she comes to visit me I don't run out and hug her because I'm afraid that she'll hit me if I don't. I do it because I'm glad to see her. If I don't respect someone or I am afraid of them I sure won't be giving them any warm greetings. So I know the difference, stop telling me how I feel. I do respect her for everything she has done for me and the sacrafices that she made for me. I love her and love being around her if I was afraid of her I wouldn't go out of my way to spend time with her would I? My entire life I never hugged or even said hello to my grandfather unless he said hello first (that I can remember) and that is because I actually did fear him and had absolutely no respect for him, beyond what formalities were required of me as he was my grandfather.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Incredibly self serving.

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    To remove a child from its parent because of a spanking is selfish to the extreme. Its hysteria. I don't like spanking, but removing a child from its parent is more traumatic than you can even imagine. Well, considering you imagine it to be on the level of FGM....

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    To even compare it to FGM is a slap to all little girls who have been through it. I'm surprised you didn't compare a spanking to rape though. At least you've moved on from that.
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    what about a child offspring?
     
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  7. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    FGM causes no more harm to a child than MGM, if performed in sterile conditions by professionals. Can't miss something you never had sort of thing (I don't really support either, but I do support the right to choose to do it). But these two things are hardly comparable. I mean for all of your scientific research the only way I could think of anyone saying that I didn't turn out to be a "good" adult is that whack my brother over the back of the head and... uh... oh I broke a guy's nose (he deserved it though, trying to shoot an old lady)... and I don't untie my shoelaces before putting my shoes on that always irritated my mother. Haven't raped anyone yet though, guess that's coming.
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    oh so orleander its ok as long as the harm is indirect?
    like for instance your child beating his partner to death?

    or having other long term psychological harm?

    so long as your genitalialia are intact?

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    Maybe we shouldnt change the law Q, maybe what we should do is charge every PARENT who hit there child whos child grows up to be a wife beater with an equivlant charge (ie recklessly causing injury or in the case of a wife beater who kills his partner, criminaly negligent homicide)

    lets see if the numbers start to go down THEN
     
  9. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    you just can't stay on topic can you. You have to get all hysterical and twist words.
    How is spanking equivalent to female circumcision?
    What does spanking have to do with a child beating a future spouse to death?
    I was spanked and a LOT of members here were spanked. Were you spanked? Do you beat Bunny? Was she spanked? Does she beat you? If I give her a dollar, can she?
     
  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    oh and one last point

    you want to see me equate it to rape thats easy

    Firstly under most laws providing the tools to commit a crime is concidered ading and abeting at the least

    If you provide viagra to someone you know will use that to abuse kids for instance that is also child endagerment

    So taking those two principles:

    Resurch has shown smacking a child (sorry im sick and tired of using the american term SPANKING, thats a sex act) significantly increases the risk they will become a rapist.

    There for Smacking children is adiding and abeting rape

    There for the parents should be charged with the eqvilant of criminally negilange homicide for rape

    i THINK, (feel free to correct if wrong) that CNH carries 20 years right?
    There for its a third less than murder (im guessing but i think that how it works)
    There for as rape carries 15 years inprisionment, the parents (who did it AND who authorised it if the other parent didnt stand up against it) should recive 10 years inprisionment

    Further more "god told me to do it" isnt concidered a resonable excuse (unless its for not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect). This is further shown in that you cant stop a child reciving blood because "god told you blood is the soul" (or whatever JW belive)
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    what do you want orleander?
    i have given you MUTIPLE pieces of scientific evidence which you just dismiss because you do it and you dont want to admit your a child abuser

    Its not your fault you didnt know but it IS your fault if you continue doing it inspite of the evidence
     
  12. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    you pompous ass!

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    I don't assault my kids. Never have! Learn to read.
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Your right, im making an assumption that you engage in this activity you surport

    If im wrong i apologise
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    94% of parents spank their children, do 94% of men beat their wives? Do 94% of men commit rape? You are acting as though it has been definitively proven that spanking causes rape, and that is utterly absurd. At most, they may have found a correlation. Well, as you probably know, correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that spanking an otherwise normal child will turn him into a rampaging rapist or wife beater. Stop acting as though there is.
     
  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No, I was more upset thinking you had me confused with what's her name. THAT is insulting! She hits her kids, not me.

    For some people it seems that thinking spanking is wrong is admitting your parents raised you wrong.
    As far as I'm concerned, my parents did what they knew. I know better, so I do better. I don't have to parent the way my parents did, so I'm not.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, there is in fact, and that information is available to you. But, I suspect you'll ignore it and go on flexing your pecs.

    Reciprocating on your part to provide links to support your argument would be the thing to do now, rather than just continuing with personal assertions.
     
  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    mad there isnt any "proof" that depression leads to suicide either. The fact that suicidle people are depressed is just corrilation right?
     
  18. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Here's another interesting correlation for you: People who have no children have the strongest opinions against spanking! Coincidence? Is there even one among you group of anti-spanking zealots who actually has raised any children?
     
  19. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    LMAO.....I can't help but laugh that you are still talking about female mutilation and now beating a partner to death? :bugeye:

    Can you try and make comparisons to situations that are at least somewhat in the same ball park?

    You tell me that you think I am raising some future wife beaters. My boys who have never hit anybody or been in any fights. I think you should look in the mirror my dear. You are the one that has no problem hitting his own mother back. You are the one who is blowing this whole spanking thing out of proportion and ready to turn your own family members into the police. Do you ever stop to think what that would do to your brothers kids? Their uncle called the police on their dad for a spanking, now he is at the police station. Maybe you could involve the children's aid society too. Maybe they could come in and take the kids away for good and stick them in a foster home. Do you think his kids would be happier?
    Or do you think you hysterical interference would do more harm then good?
     
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  20. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Don't worry I am insulted that he confused me with YOU.
    Maybe you should read too. I have spanked my kids A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THEIR WHOLE LIFE. That was MANY yrs ago and I haven't HIT them since.
     
  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, if someone hasn't raised kids, they are unable to distinguish physical violence? That makes sense... :huh:

    Is that your evidence? No links or references of any kind whatsoever to back up any of those "interesting correlations" you've been making?

    Well done! :thumbsup:
     
  22. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Were you spanked? Sorry if you already answered but I can't be bothered to go back so many pages.
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Okaaaaay.

    /back away, slowly, don't make eye contact
     

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