Space elevators?!?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by orcot, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Again, beside hurricans, there is the high altitude wind current, that is easily go by 100+ mph. How can the space elevator withstand it?
     
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  3. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    Any country that has a space elevator is going to gain at least enployment. I gues it would be a like the panama canal where the locals are put to work while investerors monitor everything and walk away with the mayor profit.

    For the terrorist thread, you don't wreally hear of much trouble in kenia no mayor wars no mayor cival clashes. Perhaps it's not to bad over there (for africa). Perhaps a continued no weapon threaty followed with the promise that no religious inquiries are made for trade and that all man are equal will work long enough to ensure it lasts 50 or something years. If all hell brakes loose anyway you can always keep a spare that's going to be much cheaper if you're already have one in space and ancor it somewhere in the middle of the pacific with automated anti air guns a couple of subs and carriers and a promise to trow at least 5 nukes on the land of origen of the terrorist
     
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  5. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    High altitude winds do not exert very much force per square centimeter because the air is so thin up there. Perhaps the tape could be turned thin-side-on to the wind to diminish the effects further.
     
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  7. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    perhaps But lightning strokes are proberly going to be the mayor problem (if not corrosion). You proberly would get a lot of ice up the ribbon so each elevator should also clean the wire.

    They've also made a study on how the cable would react against hard winds/storms and it could bend the cable for max a 100 km but aperently that would give verry little extra stress for the cable
     
  8. Singularity Banned Banned

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    So u r paid by the illuminati to infiltrate human mind with your fiction the depict wrong science, hu ?

    Its really amazing how u have removed the original elevator design from the entire internet, i could not find a single pic originally made by Sir Arthur C. Clarke.
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    How about the elevator itself, when the serious windpower is trying to force it sideways??
     
  10. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    :bugeye: Then it gets pushed sideways it doesn't realy has to be a straight line there are some deviation possible it goes paired with higher stress but that can be accountant for

    singularity Arther C. Clarck was a writer not a illustrator besides now your guilty of american propaganda the first concept of a space elevator was tought of by the Russian Konstantin Tsiolkovsky afther seeing the Eifel tower in 1895.
    But the basic concept of tether and counterweight was made by , Yuri N. Artsutanov in 1957. Arther C. Clark That introduced the name " space elevator" did it in 1978. The book was named "The Fountains of Paradise"

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  11. Singularity Banned Banned

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    The original pic had huge helium balloons supporting the elevator, so its effective weight in the atmosphere was zero.

    But if they dont take away this pic then people will realze that there is no need of the elevator itself, then who will pay for NASA's secret weapons of mass destructions.
     
  12. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    If your meaning the secret search for intiligent life in congress don't worry the project is doomed to fail
     
  13. draqon Banned Banned

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    how many times do I and all others got to tell it to you PeoPle. The helium/hydrogen balloons can suPPort weight only to 40miles above Earth...and thats in no way considered as sPace. sPace is 200km...beyond suborbital.
     
  14. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm, this is wierd, and ummm they'll never, ever, ever, be able to build a space elevator, add to that the bizarre effects of having it visible from all over your state or country?! I'm certain there's no feasible way to construct one, and even more disturbing... what better target if a war starts than the only space-elevator in existance? You've got to be very insane to believe they'll build one of these ever, and man even I'm not that crazy.
     
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    LiftPort used helium balloons to extend a tether 100 meter above ground for their test-run. (Photo: LiftPort)
     
  16. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    yeah but it somewhat failed the elevator could only reach 400 meter and the tensile strenght was only around 50 times that of steel while it should be around a 100 times as strong.

    Still nanotubes have a future be it in space elevators or other things like body armor.
    Darksidzz it would not be visible for a verry long distance it's dimensions will proberly be in the order of a couple of milimeters with and a couple of centimeters long and a couple of 1000 km high.

    And be able to carry something like 30 ton to orbit in 8 days witch means significant time in the radio active van allen belts.

    Their a lot of things against it for example how do you get a 20 000 kg in orbit and not yust any orbit but GEO not LEO even the space shuttle can't get up there, and make it unwind inside a atmosphere without damaging it.
    Making that it will proberly costs a moonlander mission yust to get there.
     
  17. Singularity Banned Banned

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    The idea is first build the

    Stage 1 : Balloon supported elevator in the atmosphere

    Stage 2 : LEO station having a hanging elevator just above the atmosphere, transfer the climber from Earth Elevator to the LEO Station.

    Stage 3 : NEO station having another hanging elevator, transfr the Climber from LEO to NEO

    Stage 4 : GEO station .....

    No need of full length Elevator.
     
  18. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I think GEO orbit is essential (if you wan't to have a fixed anckoring point). The counterweight would move to fast and the cable would either snap or slow the counter weight down enough for it to reenter in the atmosphere.

    besides LEO means low earth orbit (ISS /space station/ most satelites)
    GEO means Geostationair earth orbit (geostationair satelites)

    NEO means near earth objects and generaly refers to asteroids

    Offcourse it could be done below GEO but would involve a object wide moveable platform for asteroids that are only a couple of km wide it could be a train and Venus could perhaps have a moveable floating platform but that's verry far of.
     
  19. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    And how do you do the transfer, considering that the two will be moving at something in the neighborhood of 7 km/sec relative to each other?
    On top of that, how do you cross the "no man's land"? (that region where the atmosphere is too thin to support a balloon, but still thick enough to cause drag problems for the LEO suspended section.)
    Another velocity difference to overcome.
    And another.
     
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  20. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Is that ramjet or scramjet?
     
  21. draqon Banned Banned

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    X-43 scramjet will get us to space, elevators are too much nuisance.
     
  22. Singularity Banned Banned

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    That is a problem. The climber will have to blast off from the top most end of the Elevator and do a little trip of few miles to reach outside atmosphere and hook it self to the LEO elevator.

    Or the LEO Elevator will have to dip a SkyHook in the atmosphere for sometime and catch the Climber, and then pull it outside the atmosphere.


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    Will have to use the Bungee Jumping Rubber band.

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  23. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    LOL!

    Planes landing on an aircraft deck are doing in the order of 200 km per HOUR.
    The difference in orbital velocities will be in the order of 5 km per SEC

    That's a mere 144,000 times faster!
     

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