Solution to poverty

Discussion in 'World Events' started by CIEan, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. CIEan Registered Member

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    During the World Debate in Davos, Dr.Kumi Naidoo, CIVICUS Secretary General and chair of the Global Call to Action against Poverty (GCAP) said, in response to the optimism due to growth:

    "Yes there might be growth in conventional terms, but we have to begin to question the quality of growth. Most of this growth is growth without equity. Most of this growth is jobless growth. We need an economy that can create decent jobs for a large number of people."

    In order to for the growth to become more equal, I propose:

    1. Representatives from each country, along with the WTO,UN, other organizations involved in economic cooperation, and NGO's should meet.

    2. They will discuss how to set the conditions that are necessary for genuine trade to occur in the poverty stricken countries.

    3. During this meeting they will discuss possible policy's that can be taken to bring more jobs to country's like Africa. This will probably involve some government intervention and regulation of current businesses, but in such a way that they will still want to do business in conflicted countries.
    Also, they should consider how to guide the government's of those countries, so that those nations will be able to sustain sound trade policy's and activities. They need to be taught how to fish, and how to keep fishing.

    4. Lastly, they should address how to educate the needy nations. The population's of the impoverished nations need to be effectively educated, so that they may gain the many benefits that come with an educated citizenry. I don't need to go into discussing the benefits of education here. And this is one area where the NGO's can play a huge part.

    I'm here to learn, so don't don't be too harsh with your comments please. eheh

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  3. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    1. NGO's are held to no accountability for progress, how can we insure that the actions they take are valid? Especially if they will be receiving funding from federal sources. Also, I think you greatly over-estimate the desire of the UN to actually help anyone. The WTO has no ability to enforce anything, when obeying WTO has negative effects on the country of origin all parties disregard suggestions.

    2. Why do we need to help poverty stricken countries? Couldn't they avoid being poverty stricken by becoming independent first? Isolationism is a key step to international trade.

    3 and 4 are already in action. Thus far no significant results have been yielded primarily due to the cynicism of the individuals.
     
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  5. CIEan Registered Member

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    What do you mean by your last sentence of number one?
    Why do we need to help? Because we are all better off if our trading partners improve economically, and for the lesser reason, that the more developed and wealthy nations should help bring up those in dire need.
    What do you mean by independent? That a country is able to help itself? If other country's help in the process of another becoming "independent", then it will save alot of resources on the part of the helped country, assuming that the country itself would be less efficient in developing on its own, than if others helped. But of course if the country in need could do this by itself, then no help would be needed.
    Are you saying that if they first become isolated, they then will become independent?
     
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    - Nations don't abide by international law if it's inconvenient, because there's no way to really enforce the laws. Sactions are sometimes imposed, but even then countries break the sanctions and continue business as usual.

    - Generally countries cannot be persuaded into becoming economicially similar to America, and generally the majority of assistance we give goes to waste. Historically nations that have moved from 3rd world countries to 2nd and 1st world countries have followed similar steps. One of the essential steps is Isolation-Nationalism. Once they are independent they can start providing surpluss to export. Until this point they continually stay in debt.
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Many poorer nations have nothing of value to trade with. Most only have people in them , to many people most of the time, which causes the conditions to spiral ever downwards.
     
  9. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    "Many poorer nations have nothing of value to trade with."

    Value is in the eye of the appraiser. There are minds and motivations in the worst places on earth, that can and likely will far surpass what the most privileged of our planet count as valuable. Affluence has never been the hotbed of innovative thinking. But adversity enhances human potential.

    There is certainly no "downward spiral" with the poor sucking at the rest of us from the center and depth of the abyss. Our most precipitous collective and global dangers and disasters are more often triggered from the top of the economic heap. When the economic titans stumble, fall, and take a lot of people down with them, those left standing learn a keener appreciation for that vital human potential that is most accurately and lastingly honed by adversity.
     
  10. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    The New York Times and the Guardian have taught me that world poverty and hunger will end when Bush is out of office and Obama doubles the size of the US federal government. However if the Butcher of Ossetia, John McCain, is elected look forward to more poverty, hunger, and suffering.

    Note to retards: it's called sarcasm...

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  11. CIEan Registered Member

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    But if a country was able to develop and grow through "isolation-nationalism", then they wouldn't need help in the first place. I'm talking about the nations that are consistently failing, and that will probably continue to fail for quite a while. Zimbabwe for instance.

    That some nations might break international agreements is not reason enough to say the meeting shouldn't happen. They would have to reach consensus on the decisions, as is done in WTO negotiations, which would lessen the likelyhood of breaking agreements.

    hypewaders, what you said is true. Adversity fosters creativity, and strengthens character. Like how the Japanese rebuilt their country after the Hiroshima bombing.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    CIEan: "the nations that are consistently failing, and that will probably continue to fail for quite a while. Zimbabwe for instance."

    Zimbabwe (AKA Rhodesia) was uniquely prosperous before, and will be again. Mugabe's deeply corrupt and ignorant rule has compounded and protracted the post-colonialist hangover. Beaten-down countries do typically experience a profound political brain-drain, but it isn't irreparable. The only thing consistent about failure in Zimbabwe has been the curse of Mugabe- When he's gone, a more progressive and responsive government will be able to get resource-wealthy, leadership-impoverished Zimbabwe back on its feet much more expeditiously than (for instance) retro-colonialism in Iraq.
     

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