Solar Wave

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by akabrutus, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. akabrutus Registered Member

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    The solar system moves forward at 515,000 mph with the galaxy like a breaking ocean wave.

     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    why are they deliberately shaking the camera ?
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I dunno either.
    It's pretty and all, but reference to a breaking wave is quite a stretch.

    We're looking down the axis of a helix. SS's motion is parallel to that axis (away from us into the distance, or toward us).
    Describing it as a breaking wave implies that the motion of the Solar System is perpendicular to the axis - i.e. across the view, left to right. Which it is not.

    Thanks to akabrutus, but there are already enough inaccurate depictions of our motion through the galaxy. A popular one making the rounds shows our sun plowing through the interstellar medium, dragging the planets in pretty, spiraling arcs behind it. Which is also wrong.
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    You've got a link(s) to the right(correct) ones?

    Is my understanding correct----
    That we are moving around the galaxy about every 250 million years
    The galaxy is moving through space rather like a frisbee
    our gravity changes based on our position around the galaxy---when we are in front the galaxy around ud contracts and we experience more gravity---when we are in the rear the galaxy is more spread out and we experience less gravity
    ???
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    No. One cannot determine motion wrt "space", one can only determine motion wrt some arbitrarily-chosen reference point, such as another galaxy or group of galaxies.

    No.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is that not describing a two dimensional helical wavefunction?

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    https://www.mpl.mpg.de/en/russell/research/twisted-pcf-oam/helical-bloch-waves.html

    Note the shared properties:

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    Wikipedia
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The subject is about a wave form, no?

    Only to try and correct an apparent misstatement by you. There are helical wave functions. Just a detail...

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    (for my own edification)

    Seems to me that wave functions are found along all axes. There is only the wave function, regardless of direction. Maybe I'm wrong in that view and I need correction...

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    p.s. I visualize a wave-tunnel as a helical wave function. Am I wrong?

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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure I suggested otherwise.

    It just seems to me that a moving pattern presented by the OP is only superficially similar because of a carefully-chosen viewing angle - while being unrelated on a more fundamental level.

    The video is the OP suggests that the solar system is moving like an airplane propeller through the sky. But the similarity to a breaking wave just doesn't seem to be the same thing at all. Propeller rotation doesn't cause planes to move sideways*.

    *OK, well, I'll concede a tiny bit of connection there - Any boater knows what "prop walk" is.... When in reverse, your boat will preferentially veer laterally, depending on the rotational direction the spinning prop.

    Nonetheless, it;s still just a superficial similarity. There's no causative connection between the sun's motion and moving laterally like a breaking wave.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I see a closer relationship.
    http://chemistry.tcd.ie/staff/people/sd/lectures/MO_lecture_course-2.pdf

    Does this answer your question or is it irrelevant?
     
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Fair enough, I can't go much beyond my own very generalized opinion.....

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  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    technically, is the wave in the pictures a collapsing function ? thus a terminal point of the wave transitioning rather than flowing ?
    the collapse of the wave is proportional to the force opposing it so it is different to a motion in space that has no specified field resistance ?

    the field effect on the gravity as a moving wave would in theory have a combined effect one way or the other, however...
    dark energy etc etc yadda and all the rest clearly indicates force that is unknown by its basic principals currently.

    thus... the wave function of the galaxy is being effected by and driven by forces that are yet to be understood, and is not an end point of opposing force like a wave in a field of entropic equity etc..
    some thoughts.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have any thoughts on the de Broglie-Bohm Pilot Wave model? I find it very elegant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie–Bohm_theory
     
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    not publicly(ive been thinking about my ignore list too much i might ponder)
    thanks for the note.
    i will try and find de Broglies' original comments if they are online.
    i am keenly interested in the subject though and do not mean it to sound negative toward you in any shape or form[excuse the pun].
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    To give you a taste.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Pilot wave theory
    In theoretical physics, the pilot wave theory, also known as Bohmian mechanics, was the first known example of a hidden variable theory, presented by Louis de Broglie in 1927.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave_theory

    Intriguing stuff......

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  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you are wrong. There are no helical wavefunctions, so far as I am aware. The idea has no meaning that I can see.

    There are helical electromagnetic waves, in say, circularly polarised light: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization

    A waveform is not a wavefunction. A waveform is a physical phenomenon. A wavefunction is a mathematical description of a quantum state.
     
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    https://www.scribd.com/document/169528724/The-Universe-as-a-Helical-Wavefunction
    I understand the difference, but that does not rule out a possible helical wavefunction. See above.
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That is quantum woo garbage.

    A wavefunction looks something like this:

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    (harmonic oscillator, one of the simplest)

    By the way, who is this "Eddie Maalouf" joker? I'd never heard of him and apparently nobody else has either.
     
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