So Now That We Understand Anarchy A Bit More

History has never given Anarchy a chance. Republics, democracies, communism, socialism, monarchism ect has been given their chances. Its clear that they failed.
How in the hell is it working? Were trillions in debt, forced to buy government owned healthcare, paying outrageous taxes and have no idea what the government is doing ect ect ect I could go on and on.


I never proposed a communist country. I agree with you. The American Government is better than lets say China's. Doesnt make either working

 

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So all the countries are failures? Because it seems to me that we're still organized.

We've almost always been in debt. We're forced to buy it only because the bill was passed.

We're still afloat aren't we?

Let's look at facts. How many Americans actually want Anarchy? The answer is not a whole lot. Sure there are some, but not alot. If the people really wanted it, you would see rallys everywhere.

So let me ask you this: What makes you think that Anarchy could work, when the people don't want it?

 

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Yes they are. To the indivisual, society has failed itself.

No we havent. Because our government passed the bill. Thus, its the governments fault.

Is that all that matters? That were "afloat." Not that we are opressed, not that our freedoms are being taken from underneath us? All that matters is that our government and our country is surviving? (Barely mind you.) The government cant even support itself, thats why taxes are crazy, unempolment is rising, and we get things like the healthcare bill.

Look at this fact: The majority of Americans (even yourself) believe that anarchy is the slandered chaotic world that the media and higher power and intrest groups have made it out to be.
Many people believe in Anarchtic princples and dont even relize it.

 

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Society equals Government?

Yes it has. America never fully recovered from the Great Depression. We've gotten better. But never a recovery. Heck the economy still hasn't recovered.

Opressed? Freedoms being taken? I think it's important that we survive. Unemployment is crazy because of the decreasing economy. An economy that is being ruined by illegal immigrants.

Wrong. YOU were the one who taught me what Anarchy is. So YOUR definition is the one go by. Please don't tell me what I believe.

It may not be the rioting like alot of people think it is. But it would be chaotic.

And by the way, you sidestepped my question:

What makes you think that Anarchy could work, when the people don't want it?

 

Society creates government

We were a country for quite some time before the great depression

Yes opressed. Yes, freedoms are being taken away. Have fun surviveing. Id rather LIVE as free indivisiual.
The decreasing econamy is now being caused by the crazy unemployment. Illegals are not the only and honestly are a very small factor in the decreasing econmy.

You do not show full understanding of anarchy, otherwise you would not believe that it would be chaotic.

What makes you think this current government is working? When (correct me if I am wrong) almost the entire nation is unhappy with the current government

 

Good god, will someone please close this thread. It's going nowhere.

 

And?

Again, and? You were refering to the current economy, which is the way it is because of the Great Depression.

Let me as you this. Do you see soldiers in the streets taking people out of their homes to join their ranks? Do you see the government covering up the oil spill in the Gulf? Do you see a leader unanimously re-elect himself as dictator? The answer to all of these is no. You know why? Because this is America, not the USSR or China. We are not opressed, you should look back to the days of Stalin's Russia. THAT was opression.

A small part of the problem? Take another guess. There are probably hundreds of jobs being worked by illegal immigrants over the entire U.S.

Well no offense, but your not showing a full understanding of reality. A system without a hierarchy, without a leader, without a head, is not a system at all. And it is doomed to fail. A chicken with it's head cut off, that's what a nation without a leader would be.

Answering my question with a question is not an answer. I'll answer your question: The current government works, because we are one ofthe most succesful nations. America is a world power; that has to count for something. The entire nation unhappy with the government? I am curious as to how you reached that assumption, when there are people fighting and dying for this country.

Now that I hae answered your question, would you answer mine with a straight forward answer?

 

I agree.

 

We are debating the subject
No need or cause to close it

 

Our econ is not this way because of the depression. Thats a silly thing to say.

What I do see is people being sent home and suspended for wearing the American flag. What I do see is myself being suspected for being in a gang because of the anarchist symbol. What I do see is the government and media blaming BP for the oil spill when it was caused by gross government regualtions forcing them to cut corners. What I do see is artist labeled obsence and wrong for saying fuck. I could go on and on.

Hundreds out of millions

No offense, but your showing that you have been brainwashed (like most people) to believe that.

The current government does not work. Otherwise the dollar would not be falling in value, taxes wouldnt have to keep going up, and we wouldnt have a socialist president passing things like the healthcare bill which is all completely constatitunal and legal. I reached that assumption because its a known fact that the majority of people are not happy with the way Americas going

 

The same thing is being said over and over. Do you expect different results and responses each time? That is the very definition of insanity. Nothing is being achieved here. The thread is dead. It's mainly been you and Omega going at it and even they agree it needs to be closed. Nearly everyone else that did particiate has already walked out.

 

Look, Psycho Bound. I have given you facts, historic examples, and even logical observations; yet you seem to disregard them. You also seem to dodge my questions. A great deal of people have also given facts, and you sidestep that too. You claim I am brainwashed, yet you are the one who thinks something that has no proof of working, as well as too great a risk to try, is the perfect society.

And...... you still didn't answer my question.

It's a somewhat interesting topic, but if you're not willing to look at the facts being presented then i'm done debating it.

 

And I have given you equall amount of facts, historic examples, and logical observations.

Your ignorence has you defeated. And I rest my case.
The thread may be closed

 

Ok if we are going to play the "who has the last word" game, I'll give it a shot.

Psycho: Omega has a point. I think most will agree with him as I do. I have seen no "ignorance" on his part to be honest. I'm not taking sides based here on reputation or personality, I don't even know Omega aside from what he has posted in this thread, and what he has posted has been quite logical. You've been asked many times to view examples and respond directly in which though you have responded, the responses lacked substance and credit. People, including myself, have posted numerous links, documents etc that explain various aspects of "Anarchy", and I agree with Omega when he says that you disregard given evidence.

Fact: Anarchy typically doesn't work.
Fact: Anarchy creates chaos which in turn creates war.
Fact: War causes death
Fact: Humans most sole instinct is self-preservation.
Fact: Anarchy goes against human instinct.
Fact: Anarchy is not beneficial for human societies and communities.
Fact: People want to better their lives and the lives of their offspring. We instill certain principles, governments and etc into our worlds to assist in creating healthier lives with longer life-spans.

These are simple facts that cannot be discredited. These simple facts discredit Anarchy as a societal rule. Anarchy is a philosophy in which does not benefit humanity. End of story.

 

Those are not facts at all. You are much like many other people, and you do not understand the true philosophy of anarchy.

 

Once again, ignoring facts. Sorry bud, I will call you out on this one. Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that maybe it is you that doesn't understand?

 

Not ignoring facts at all. Ignoring your opionion that you did not even support

 

Various members have posted supporting evidence of every fact I listed except for the ones that only require common sense (self preservation, war etc). And once again, you didn't answer my question.

 

Answer me this... What makes you the almighty, all-knowing expert on Anarchism? Your self-proclaimed title as an Anarchist? Sorry pal. Get a degree in sociology or political science and then come talk to us.

 

Fair enough.
But let me ask you this, do you a degree in either one of those?