Thank you for a new low standard, Static76 Nope ... Moby may be right. Two people I know share a memory with me. The thing is that I'm quite like Moby on this one: you'll have to excuse us for not being so obsessed with Eminem to have written this one down, along with the date and time. I think that's why you're so pissed at Moby, because he wasn't so slobberingly obsessed with Eminem as to have written it down at the time. But I did have the opportunity to mention this debate to a couple of friends and I can tell you this: I have, before, sitting in front of the TV, and saying: "Did he just say that? Was that what I thought I heard?" I have the slightest sliver of a memory of thinking, "That could be taken as anti-Semitic." I think that, on Moby's part, it would be a thin platform for public criticism, but I haven't heard Marshall say "Moby's wrong, I don't do those things and every word of it is untrue." I've heard arrogance and threats. That's why I say Moby gets to say he's heard it. I'm pretty sure that if we raided the whole catalog of Eminem's recorded words, Moby would find justified. The thing is that I'm not entirely sure Moby is lying. You can say it's a lie, but realize, all he had to hear was approximately two words, maybe even one, come out of Eminem's mouth, out of all of his press coverage up to that point. I've been wracking my brain for a couple of days trying to figure out what the hell Marshall actually said that day that caught my attention. If Moby has slandered Eminem--if there is no shred of anti-Semitism to be found--then why not obtain a legal decision to prove your point? After all, Eminem can embarrass Moby in court and then make Moby pay for it. On the other hand, I think Marshall knows he's said enough in the past for Moby to be allowed to say this without slandering him. I think that is why Eminem is so pissed that he has to threaten. And it's why I say he's scared of real musicians: real musicians have a certain scope of vision and bear a certain credibility that Eminem doesn't. Think of it this way: when the press comes to talk to Eminem, they want to talk about what people see, and the character of the show. When the press talks to Moby or other musicians, they want to talk about music. Ever read Mojo or Q magazines? Hell, they can probably be sued for libel for the things they've written about Eminem, and they haven't chosen to waste a whole lot of page space on him. Lyricists are appreciated in the music press, but if that's all you've got, you will catch some shite. If Marshall could sing, well, that would be one thing, but he can't, so he's looked upon almost like a boy band in the sense that his appeal is sheerly a novelty. Mind you, one of the reasons I've got a poor opinion of his fans is I still don't see how being sexy or "telling it like it is" makes him a good musician. As with boy bands and sexy-diva radio pop, Eminem is a performer, and he does seem very adept at getting attention. In general. Most days I find Eminem to be a stupid punk not worth devoting any thought to. But I'm getting sick of your pathetic targeting of Moby. Eminem was being booed by more people than that. Rather than learning what to say and not to say, he chose to threaten Moby. Perhaps Marshall shouldn't go around acting like a renegade hormone so often. Oooh, Moby was booing Eminem! I find it hilarious that Eminem's fans will defend the act of threatening violence merely because Marshall is too stupid to figure out any other way to express himself. It doesn't do much to augment my perception of his fans. I believe you're really reaching here. Are you denying he was talking to Moby? Are you denying that he said, "Keep talking, I will hit a man with glasses"? Oh, so it's just "trash talk", and not a threat? In that case, keep talking little woman, I will hit a dumbass. (And remember, you can't complain that I threatened you because it's just trash talk. And I might just keep that part of it up for a few days, just for kicks. After all, we trash-talk each other at this forum all the time. So keep talking, indeed. Keep defending that violence because you're also empowering me to conduct myself that way. So in other words, unlike everyone else who witnessed the moment, you're too stupid to know who he was talking to? After all, I will beat the fuck out of a dumbass. And remember, you can't complain because you can't prove I'm aiming that at you. So just keep talking, little woman. I will beat a dumbass. Keep talking, little woman. I will shoot a dumbass. You're right. I think I'll drop some E, go down to the nearest club, shake my booty to some Eminem, and then I'll go out on the street and "trash-talk" some faggots. Keep talking, little faggot. I will shoot a faggot. Oh, what? Am I getting just a little bit offensive yet? I hope so. Well, now ... it seems the foot is on the other leg ... er, wait. At any rate, go back and read those articles. What, are you going to accuse the author of lying about Eminem's fans? It seems the next logical step. Keep talking, little paranoiac. I will shoot a retard. (Are you tired of it yet?) Well, duh. If he could have "made it big" on his own, without the payola help, he would have. Musically or lyrically? I'm not sure mots of Eminem's fans understand the difference. You've never heard Woman is the Nigger of the World? The thing is that shock rock is old. When I think of those who criticized Alice Cooper's Raped and Freezing, I laugh at them. It's a harsh title, I admit, but it's a funny song. You see, when the critics criticized that song, he didn't threaten them. He just said, "lighten up, from what I can tell you have the song backwards". After all, that's a guy sprinting naked into Chihuahua. But if Eminem wants his commentaries to be taken legitimately at all, he's going to have to get better at it. Far better artists than he are forgotten in their efforts. I would hope his commentaries have some sort of sincerity behind them. After all, it's a pretty grim world he's casting, and if bitching about it is all he can do, well, so be it. I'll give it a whirl. I hope it's better than Papa Roach's aggravation at fathers. Music or lyrics? Keep screwing that up. I will stomp a moron's ass into a mudhole. Now then, whatever the fuck your stupid perceptual problem is, you can take it and fuck it yourself. You can put the attitude up your ass and lick it. Matter of fact, you can get down on your knees and be my urinal and I might just feel better about your living worth. Keep on babbling, zombie. I will knock the hell out of a dead-eyed idiot. Wow ... a new level of trash-talk. Thank you for making it possible, Static76. Thank you very much. And I don't want to hear a word of complaint from other posters, from moderators, or from our dear Porfiry. It's just trash-talk, right? It's not actually threatening. So keep whining twit. I will hit the stupid. --Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!