Snowden is doomed

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by darksidZz, Jun 29, 2013.

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Poll closed Jul 14, 2013.
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  4. Who is Snowden?

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  1. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say illegal covert surveillance of everyone, and threats of murder by a government agency against a whistleblower sounds pretty criminal to me. And Capracus, who are you? Who do you report to? You've only done 64 posts! Did you only join this forum to spy on us?
    Capracus is almost like Caprinus which means goat in Latin, the symbol of the devil. Have your controllers placed you here to be the devils advocate?
     
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  3. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Keeping our country and secrets safe.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I am kind of surprised that Snowden and his financial sponsors are not able to raise a mere 216K to get him to South America. And just how does Snowden expect to support himself? Will he mooch off of WikiLeaks till the end of his time?
     
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  7. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    And risk getting the plane pulled off the air in the CIA pawn countries? no thanks. Snowden is a very intelligent man and will greatly benefit the Russian security forces FSB as well as Humanitarian agencies for civil rights in Russia. With his help the CIA tactics at spying on international meetings will be unveiled and more security will be put in place to prevent such information leakage to US security forces. It is a great honor and great privilege to have a great individual supporting the equilibrium of the world´s forces through sharing of information.

    "I can´t allow the U.S. Government to destroy privacy and basic liberties" Edward Snowden.

    A man who gave up his 200K job and life in Hawaii for your freedom. And What have you done? Killed people in name of democracy in Korea and Vietnam? And now sit and enjoy the peace and tranquility far away in a cozy US?
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, don’t look now, but your ignorance is showing. First, there is a route to South America that does not intrude on any countries allied with The United States. That is why it costs 216k dollars. Do you really think a plane ticket to South America costs 216k anywhere in the world…really? I guess you don’t get out much.

    Two, those “CIA Pawn Countries” have a nasty little habit of ignoring what the CIA wants or what the US wants and doing it their way (e.g. Operation El Dorado Canyon). As far as intelligence, I think and I think anyone with half a brain thinks, Snowden has already shot that wad a couple of times. And it should come as no surprise countries spy on each other. I seem to recall the US capturing a Russian spy ring operating in the US not too long ago. In fact I recall the US capturing several Russian/Soviet spy rings operating in and outside the US over the course of the last few decades. And then there was the small matter of Russians giving US diplomats gifts embedded with passive listening (i.e. spying) devices. And then there is the small matter of the US embassy built in Moscow that had to be destroyed and rebuilt because of all the spying devices which the Soviets had embedded into the structure during construction. And then there was the small matter of our good allies the Israelis whom we have caught spying on us numerous times.

    And if Snowden was intelligent as you claim, he wouldn't be stuck in a waiting area in a Russian airport for several weeks now desperately pleading for asylum. If he were a martyr, he wouldn't be desperately trying to save his ass right now. He wouldn't have stolen information. He wouldn't have fled. He would have stood his ground and protected his credibility. He would not have held the security of peaceful citizens hostage to his demands for his personal protection.

    Ok, that is nice demagoguery, but what does that mean exactly? And what privacy and basic liberties have been infringed exactly? More importantly, what US laws have been broken? In a nutshell, the only one who has broken US law is Snowden. That is kind of why he is a fugitive from justice.

    I have killed no one. You really need to start reining in the schizophrenia. Did Snowden magnanimously give up his job? Actually he was fired and two he wasn’t making 200k as he claimed. He was making 122k dollars and that is more the norm for the kind of job he held and it is fairly modest considering where he lived. So congratulations, just recited one of Snowden’s lies.

    If Snowden wanted to be a martyr as he and those around him like to portray him to be, he would have gone through normal whistle blower channels and he would not have ran. Jesus didn't run from the cross. Snowden would have a lot more credibility if he had not stolen information and used it as a cudgel to threaten the security of every law abiding citizen in the world, in particular he would not have stolen information and used it as a weapon against the people who paid him and the people who raised him. If Snowden really wanted martyrdom, he didn’t need to flee to the other side of the world and seek refuge in states that are known to be serial civil rights abusers (e.g. China and Russia) as he did. If Snowden really wanted martyrdom, he could have done that much more credibly at home in the US and without threatening those he claims to be protecting.
     
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  9. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    NSA Chief: Solution To Stopping The Next Snowden Is Replacing His Former Job With A Machine
    That’s one way to get unreasonable people out of government business. I look forward to the possibility of President or Chief Justice Colossus.
     
  10. scimaster Registered Member

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    I actually think the Russians will take care of Snowden
     
  11. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Hopefully, you realize that "take care of" can be taken in two exact opposite ways.

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  12. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    so let us bent the conception of everyone else about the Russians.
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Russians have a long history of “taking care of” American defectors.

    "There's little evidence from historical records that [Snowden] has anything good to look forward to," says Peter Savodnik, a journalist and author of the upcoming book, The Interloper: Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union. "Essentially, nobody from the U.S. who has defected to Russia has gone on to think that's a smart decision." - NPR

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/...erican-defectors-to-russia-an-unhappy-history

    I am very sure the Russians will take care of Snowden.

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  14. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I agree completely. (And Youreyes is blowing smoke as usual.)
     
  15. scimaster Registered Member

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    Haha, I just realised what I wrote above
     
  16. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Ah Great choice from a respectable US immigrated defector with an obvious "un-biased" view.

    Let me tell you, the many Russian "spies" and "weapon sellers" and "drug sellers" that were put to jail in USA, without proper trial or any chance of fair defense. They are the ones suffering right now in USA, they are the ones being harassed, treated like animals.
     

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