Snowden is doomed

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by darksidZz, Jun 29, 2013.

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Poll closed Jul 14, 2013.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  4. Who is Snowden?

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  1. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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  3. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    Is Snowden, the character from Catch22 who gets his guts blown all over the inside of a B25?
    Or Edward Snowden, who is trying to more to Equator to live as a goat?
    I think it's ironic kind of ironic, maybe they'll disappear him like the did to Dunbar.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I would have voted but you didn't include the best choice: "Who Cares?"

    If he is, it's a result of his own sheer stupidity, thus my response: who cares?
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I have to agree. The guy is an idiot. What is truly amazing about this whole episode is how Snowden ever received a top secret clearance. Back in the day when I was in the service, they took top secret clearances seriously. That no longer appears to be the case as evidenced by Snowden.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    That was my experience also. A clearance of any kind was sort of a rarity and the most common was just a "Confidential."
     
  9. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    America tends to torture people like that for the rest of there lifes. America can target you anywhere on earth.

    The geezer only confirmed what people said, so its not ground breaking.

    They only kill people that are whistle blowers that give out details of there real plans, and very few people know there real plans. So this guy wasted his time just telling what he did, although he just confirmed it for the masses whom do not want to believe the gov would do such things.

    No where on earth is anyone safe from america with the techs they have. That geezer should know if he worked at nsa what they can do to people no matter where they are.

    Him and assange have really given nothing to the population. It also shows how very few people really know there true plans. They only kill people outright if they give out there plans, and given out that info is a threat to those plans. Otherwise like snowden, they normally torture you for the rest of your life, and they can target you anywhere on earth.
     
  10. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    The intelligence world is very short lived, information only has relevance for a small duration of time, then it becomes stale, outdated and no longer usable. (Just look at a war fought under the pretence of WMD's being existent)

    In the case of Snowden there is the initial impact, a bunch of orders generating a bit of hush, the general viral consensus that no hush order can silence and then an X factor winner that's got a new song, a new voice and is spammed all over the tabloids. Then the public start erecting crucifixion poles making claims about the singer, the X factor contest and why the price of fish is higher than normal.

    Peoples attention span is easily meandering and readily misdirected with the simplest of things.

    Therefore the true combative form in the intelligence war is just to wait for something more mindblowing (like a cat taking a picture of itself) to come about and cause the general public to move it's attention elsewhere. In 30 years time will they consider Snowden's act another "Watergate" or just something that happen "on this day 30 years ago".

    (Warhol said everyone will have 15 minutes of fame, the question in the intelligence community is whether 15 minutes is too long to plug leaks or not long enough for leaks?)
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I watched Fox News this morning as I ate breakfast. They were dissing Obama as weak and incompetent because Obama said he would not scramble jets in order to get Snowden. According to Fox News, the competent thing to do is to scramble the jets and get Snowden regardless of the cost.

    What Fox apparently doesn’t understand is that Snowden has already inflicted the damage. There isn’t much more Snowden can do to damage this country. Fox doesn’t think Snowden hasn’t already revealed whatever secrets he has to China and Russia in order to protect his ass…really? That is so emblematic of the magical and naive thinking that Fox and their viewers are so well renowned – living in their alternative reality.

    I have a son serving in the military. He holds a top secret clearance. Back when I was in the service, FBI agents came out and talked to family and friends as part of a top security background clearance. In my son’s case that didn’t happened. If it had, I am sure he would have passed. But it didn’t happen. How many others are there who have shoddy security clearances and are holding top security clearances?

    And to Read-Only’s point, when I was in the service my son’s position would not warrant a top security clearance. My son’s job is to prosecute service members who have been charged with violating articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. At best his job would require a confidential clearance. For those not familiar with US security clearances, there are three levels, confidential, secret and top secret.
     
  12. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Notice how Americans here quickly ruled Snowden as an "idiot" and "how he ever received security clearance", rather than simply admit the faults in their own NSA security system and that of its subsiduary companies like Booz Allen Hamilton. What is more pathetic is the total dismissal of the reason for such an issue being raised to an international level...The Nazist like government with total undermining of civil rights and corporate-level slavery of its citizens. That is what that court order was about, total control of the citizens.

    Where is your freedom now? What are the founding fathers thinking of now?
     
  13. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Foolish remarks from you as usual!!!

    Snowden IS an idiot because he crawled out on a very slim, shaky limb by his own personal choice. He could have easily found other means of exposing what he CLAIMS to know without putting himself in danger.

    And Booz Allen Hamilton is most certainly NOT a subsidiary of NSA! Where you get such nonsense?????? They are a contractor used by the U.S. government.

    Also, YOUR unenlightened concept of how Americans are taking this matter is absurd - we are OUTRAGED at finding out about it. One would suspect that YOU do not know that it's been a burning issue in every single media outlet in the country EVERY DAY since it was discovered.

    To put it quite simply, you know practically NOTHING of what you're talking about.

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    Why don't you go and fix what's broken in your own backyard (I don't know what that might be but everyone has something wrong going on in their nation) and leave the rest of the world alone.
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to discern that Youreyes knows virtually nothing of The United States, its government or its people, the Snowden incident or the discussion that has occurred within this thread.
     
  15. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Rejoice ex-military servicemen...smile upon my face at this moment, ensures you that I do know quite enough to make my statements here. As Stryder delinquently put it forth, the crucifixion posts for the demonization of Edward Joseph Snowden are up and the scavengers have come to pick on the flesh.

    Now behind the scenes, the FSB has a chance to learn of the methods used by NSA for information assurance and hacking protocols utilized, as well as lists of the servers all over the world that were compromised for access by NSA.

    Of course public info on this program is quite easy to gather now (cat food):

    US-984XN Collection (PRISM) + Upstream: includes providers such as Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, PalTalk, Youtube, Skype, AOL, Apple, Verizon, and etc providing personal information about: email, chat, videos, photos, stored data, VoIP, file transfers, video conferencing, logins, social networking details, special requests.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, and that is supposed to make sense?

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  17. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Read-Only will soon join in this ex-military old men club mumbling...and turn me into dust, I am sure)
     
  18. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    If only we could be so lucky...
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well if you started making sense you wouldn't have to worry about a few ex-military old men.
     
  20. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I've never turned anyone into dust and I NEVER mumble - you, on the other hand...
     
  21. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    I'm sorry, but he wasted his breathe and life. Who here is surprised that the NSA eavesdrops, tracks, and investigates people without warrants? It seems more surprising that people find this surprising.

    How many terrorist attacks have been thwarted by this level of intrusion?

    I'm all for this level of intrusion if it saves lives PROVIDED no one individual can use such information to blackmail, coerce, or otherwise bully someone they know. I'd hate to think they could use this technology to check up on their wives or romantic interests.
     
  22. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Ah but you are joining my ranks man, you are making Snowden look good in some light.

    We were not supposed to know and have evidence that our government is spying on us, its all part of national security.
    Car tracking, email tracking, data tracking, every part of the privacy in our life isnt private, it is all being stored, for national security.
    People talking about government spying on them is against the law too, for national security.

    And me, well I just plainly don't make sense. When truth is unwanted to be known, it is easy to call one crazy and a fool for the sake of the argument.
     
  23. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Finally! You've said something accurate AND honest too!
     

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