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Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Fraggle Rocker, Dec 28, 2009.

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  1. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    That pretty much sums up why I've never understood the whole ideal of "reclaimation" of such words by their own groups. That in itself creates and re-enforces separation along the same lines the original word and its usage intended. It seems counter-productive, and in the case of some words inherently unintentionally racist, and ironically so. I would personally be happy if we move past it and do away with those dated words, they belong in the past.
    It's also interesting how words change over time. A lot of people no longer think of the word "faggot" as having "gay" as part of its meaning, and is generally just used in place of "asshole". I think the same could be said of a lot of words, it's just an "insert offensive word here without caring about its meaning" moment.
    I recall a recent south park episode where they use the word "fag" to describe harley riders making a lot of noise and generally acting like assholes. The conclusion of which was that not all fags are gay, and not all gays are fags. I realise south park isn't the expert on semantics, but it does seem to have a point.

    It's interesting how many countries are considered or at the least more easily accepted, as European based on descent or history. In football(soccer) we have a lot of asian teams in the European federation, such as Israel, for these very reasons.

    Agreed.
    I'd agree with that policy, and stand by free speech, no matter how much I hate some of the things people say. On the other hand I do fear the ignorant masses may rise again to do something idiotic. That's without mentioning that often sensible people are influenced by their changing environment to change their minds; For example there has always been the attitude of "foreign workers stealing our jobs", but in a recession this is 10 times worse. Could denial of free speech in certain areas protect ourselves? Has our education reached a point where we can rely on our own intellect? Or most important of all aren't we still slaves to reactionary and irrational thoughts and emotions?
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I love the term blue eyed devil, but my eyes are a dark mercury grey, so I can't exactly claim that term.

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    Can I be an honorary blue-eyed devil? Grey-eyed devil doesn't carry the same emotional clout.
     
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  5. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    I think grey-eyed devil sounds better actually, or more mysterious.
     
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I have asked a couple of Afro-Americans to explain the reclamation of the N-word in rap music and ethnic comedy, and bless their hearts they were just as perplexed as I am. Nonetheless they admitted that they had succumbed to the effect and were no longer offended when Afro-Americans said it. They just couldn't understand the usefulness of that effect. It's been suggested that we Euro-Americans should co-opt the word and start calling each other that. Within twelve hours no Afro-American will ever say it again, and within a few days it will be completely devoid of its vulgar cachet.
    There will always be new ones. That's as true of insulting epithets as it is of any other type of word.
    Parker and Stone are very astute students of human culture and they really understand language. Unlike many animated shows you could listen to the sound track without the video and still be affected in whatever way it normally affects you.
    The Finns, Hungarians and Bulgarians aren't even Indo-European tribes.
    No, and the reason is that by suppressing it you don't make it go away. You just make it hide. That was my point about the Holocaust Denial Festival in Tehran. It would have been much better for them and us if we had invited them to hold it in our midst. We could have kept up to date on what's going on in the movement, and their ideas could have been reality-tested by all the picketers outside the venue. That's one of the reasons that, despite my well-known hatred of Abrahamism, I defend freedom of religion in this country as staunchly as I defend freedom of speech. The last thing I want is for the supernaturalists to go into hiding, where they'd no longer have to put up with our criticism and where they could plot against us in secret.
    Don't get me started on the U.S. educational system, a textbook example of why government must never be entrusted with anything really important.
    Of course, but the important question is: to what extent? Civilization is durable and self-correcting. Its progress is not substantively impeded by everyone's occasional lapses into Stone Age thought and behavior.

    What we have to worry about is entire communities synchronizing their lapses and rising up in an orgy of irrationality that exceeds the system's ability to damp it, and ultimately turns into large-scale violence that can't be contained. The Abrahamic religions reinforce this Stone Age instinct in their followers as it is. Forcing them, or any other wacky group like the neo-Nazis, to go into hiding and plot in secret will just make it worse.
     
  8. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah that one is used a lot around here.
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Huh? Where in the U.S. do you live that there is a Pakistani immigrant community at all, much less a derogatory word for them??? I've never met anybody from Pakistan in my life!
     
  10. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Canada has lots of Pakistani immigrants.

    Incidentally I think that is the correct term for them, no?? It's the "inflection" that made it bad.

    I.E "Those fuckin pakis are all over the fuckin neighborhood!"

    In Canada they actually settle in the Prairies more than Indians, I guess they can handle cold better.

    More often, in Toronto and Vancouver they are lumped into the general disparaging term "Freshofftheboat".
     
  11. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    In the UK the word Paki is used to describe anyone from the South Asian Continent, eg Indians, Bangladeshis etc. Its used as a slur against those from the subcontinent.
     
  12. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Ya that's true in Canada too.
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I've only heard the term Paki here.
     
  14. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    I live in Canada. If you look at my kids class picture he and the other 2-3 white kids stick out like a sore thumb. :bugeye:
     
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Oh I never thought of that. The ethnic demographics of Canada are a little closer to those of England than ours are.

    I also didn't know that "across the pond" is not strictly a slang expression for the United States. It seems like everywhere yiou go in Canada all you have to do is turn around to find yourself staring at a picture of the Queen, so I figured the Brits don't put you in the same category with us.
     
  16. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Fraggle, brits don't give a fuck about us, they care even less if Canada exists than the Americans do. They absolutely lump us in the same boat as the U.S. They are even more ignorant on a per-capita basis than the average American...about Canada anyway.

    It's a big reason, I strongly suspect Elisabeth II will be our last Monarch.
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Americans love Canada, especially your music. From Ian & Sylvia to Sarah McLachlan. It's just that most of them think Canada is a state.

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    Wouldn't that require some kind of enormous election, unanimous support of Parliament, and renegotiation of a few treaties? By that time the British themselves will have abolished the monarchy.
     
  18. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Hmmm...I dont feel thats true. For some reason Brits always rate Canada more favourably than the US, in fact after Australia most Brit expats go to Canada. Im not really sure where your impression came from, was it from Brits in canada? Brits that I've spoken who have gone over to Canada have often told me that Canada was more like the US than they realised!
     
  19. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    Actually a Quebecois is a New-fie with Half of the Brain missing and a New-fie is Slang for a New Found Lander . . . [remainder deleted by Moderator].

    Just felt I needed to clear that up As I am Canadian as well as of Irish decent.
    And Square heads is all so used to talk about Germans Rag Heads are People that were Turbins. [Portion deleted by Moderator] And by no means do the opions expressed here reflect my own.

    Note: portions of this post were edited out by the Moderator. As I said in the beginning, I do not want this thread to descend into vulgarity and hate speech unless it is surrounded by an unequivocally academic analysis of such vulgarity and hate speech.
     
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  20. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    That is used around here a lot too. I call my best friend a New-fie all the time and she takes no offense whatsoever. New-fies have to be one of the most laid back, funny group of ppl that I know.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Down here we call Newfoundland dogs Newfies.
     
  22. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    That's funny, down HERE we call 'em fat and ugly,...err the Newfies that is.
     
  23. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Well that is an interesting thing to say James . My how the worm turns . Obviously . I like these older threads Yeah . You can learn a lot about the past. See how people got to the conclusions of there futures .

    O.K. is there always another level of prejudges like layers of indignation and contempt for fellow humans . How about trailer trash ? Is that an acceptable slur in society . I find blond jokes insulting my self considering my blond children are brilliant. They don't think there funny at all either .
     
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