Sleep on Earth.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by TheFrogger, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Hi there.

    Here on Earth we tend to be awake during daylight hours, and sleep during the night. Would life on other planets be effected by this cycle if the length of the day and night were different?
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    We?
    diurnal
    nocturnal
    and
    crepuscular
    We can be all of the above, as can most animals

    There are averages and a propensity for one or the other.
    and
    "better to plant some crops by the light of the full moon"
    or
    "hunters moon"
    or
    night shift workers tend to have more divorces and mental illness problems
    -were they crazy before working night shift---is that why they chose the night shift? or did working the night shift drive them nuts? (While stashing cash for another run at university, I worked the night shift---interesting people there---I got both psych and anthro papers out of the experience)
    A lady cop up the road is currently crepuscular--handsome woman 5ft.10 inches tall, @150 lbs--don't mess with her---she works the evening shift---is that by choice? or assignment?
    (up the road vs down the road---which is away from town or toward town?)

    We animals tend to be adaptive niche players
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    "your" Royal 'we' seems a bit narrow minded
    humans live and work at many different light levels.
    some live almost exclusively in artificial light 24/7

    when you factor 2 things(basic things)
    1 = time
    2 = speciation
    you get a wide variety of variance

    if you apply some of pigeons philosophy rules you get a better value toward your question

    'would advanced life develop better, faster & more resilient in varying light levels' ?

    cats
    bats
    elephants

    warm blooded Vs Cold Blooded

    is there any examples of higher intelligence cold blooded species ?
    why not ?

    night shift work is paid less than day shift work and the vast majority of day shift people refuse to work night shift.
    so it leaves those who employers would not employ during the day, who the employers are now employing at night.
    the trade off is aspects of poor working class access to health care and education.

    working night shift does not allow you to have small children.
    in theory this should make the night shift work pay more because it is a scarcity which matches supply and demand economics.
    however that has been turned into a communist economy by the far right political people as they smashed unions.

    however
    instead of employers paying more for night shift
    they employ people with mental health and general health problems who they would never be employed in a day job.

    stats don't mean much if your asking a monkey to type with a sledge hammer on a ipad for a high school jock to read out to the class for show n tell for 15 year olds.

    your sentence could read
    "night shift workers are paid a lot less have health problems from working night shift and have less access to health care and more stress on relationships from not having any personal family time for a work-life balance"

    but hey ... its not like this is a science board or anything
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    we are lady-cops


    you probably do not need to add the inference of social gender association
    you could just write "police officer"

    name
    sexual preference
    favorite position(back seat driver?)

    implicit bias ...
    https://perception.org/research/implicit-bias/
    tones
    naratives
    cultures
    themes
    subcontext
    casualthought
    thinking out loud

    implicit bias is very common
    not very useful if you want to get to the real scientific mechanisms behind things though.
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    centre of town is in the up direction
    terrain dictates direction by altitude

    up the road means toward something
    down town means in to the very centre of the town/city

    however different cultures that default to USA(brazil a few other countrys) sociology-demographics of slum normalization define down town as the housing slums with no employment social care or policing.

    down-town-brown ...

    implicit bias
    or a niche to service your low wage worker pool ?

    implicit bias toward perceptions of possible evolutionary features
    inside a frame of implicit bias
    delivers ?
    interesting concept
    from playing the role of implicit bias defined as a social norm culture definition
    into a diversity based artistic creator.

    would the average person in the 70s comprehend a concept outside their possible frames of basic existence norms for perceptual functionality as a self actuator ?
    not really
    it was all about oil guns power and liberty.
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Australia Registered Nurse

    Paid lot more evening or night shift

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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    private ?
    always been a massive shortage in registered medical nurses for the last 15 years
    the private nursing contracts have increased their wage offers to attract good quality nurses from the massively under funded public systems.
    being a nurse doctor or paramedic is not something inside my skill set
    i have seen what they deal with day in day out and that takes a very special person to do it well

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    i was wondering why police & paramedics would not be paid danger money like combat pay for working night shift
    it is far more dangerous
     
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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Public

    Started working as Enrolled Nurse, having converted my RAAF Medic certificate 4 years experience into civilian Enrolled Nurse certificate

    About 5 months as Enrolled was encouraged to go for Registered

    Took drop in pay going back to Trainee Registered

    But at all levels evening and nights plus weekends paid more

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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    found this
    https://healthtimes.com.au/hub/nursing-careers/6/guidance/nc1/what-do-nurses-earn/605/

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    Registered nurse starting wage $ 59,394
    to top pay tier $92,260

    i would have thought starting wage for a registered nurse in aussie would be around 40
    you have to knock 10% off for super ?

    oops sorry if this appears to be thread jacking

    ... modern social concepts of the value of what living upside down to day work is
    do people really perceive the difference to work night shifts and is it equally compensated for by society, socialization processes and wage rates ?
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    When you say "we", I guess you mean human beings. There are a lot of animals that are nocturnal, obviously.

    Interestingly, our built-in body clocks, if left to their own devices, tend to run on a cycle that is a few hours longer than 24 hours. It seems that exposure to bright light has the effect of "resetting" the clock each morning. Although, we do quite a bit to mess with the natural clock, what with all our artificial lights and, lately, blue LED screens.

    On another planet, if there are day and night, then it seems likely that the indigenous lifeforms would adopt a similar kind of sleep pattern (assuming they sleep). There's nothing special about 24 hours, though.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Night shift was paid more than day shift at every job I ever had or saw.

    The people who work nights often prefer it because management works days.
    I prefer night shift for driving jobs - empty streets - and day shift for complex production or supervisory/instruction jobs - mental alertness, availability of help and cooperation.

    The people who prefer days often take the pay cut to gain a normal life outside of work.

    The killer is swing shifts - rotating people from days to nights and back on a schedule. That should be illegal, imho.

    There's a lot of life at night on this planet. Almost everything that doesn't photosynthesize, and much that does, spends at least some of their life active at night. It's a friendlier environment - no UV, smaller temperature swings, higher humidity, more handicapped predators, etc.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have worked day shift 1 day then night shift 3 nights a week 12 hour shifts
    thats a bit hard on the mind & body
    swapping time zones about 4 times a week working a 55 hour week.
    wages were absolute shit
    the bosses were awesome i got on with them really well
    however, being a contractor the fat is cut off the joint
    messes with your mind quite a bit
    you either learn or go under in a flaming wreck
    seen quite a few have panic attacks and mental break downs over the years.
    lol

    learnt a lot of stuff about sleep
    diet
    exercise
    mental activity and self care.
     
  16. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Shift bonus for non-standard hours is quite common.
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Working nominal 12 hours a day, on call other 12, 4 weeks straight, in the Middle of the Mediterranean

    Salary not to shabby

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