Discussion in 'History' started by Kadark, Apr 30, 2008.
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I'm with Buffalo Roam on this one. To be fair, I think that slavery and genocide are probably the two most immoral things that one can strive to do, but I do think that genocide is worse. To me, saying "Those people don't deserve to be free." is slightly less evil than saying "Those people don't deserve to exist."
to actually compare the 2 to answer the question you would have to quantify suffering which is a rather crass and a moral thing to do. so we just accept that which causes a generally worse suffering(ie. dead compared to live but unfree) as more even if it has less people effected.
which I believe is the point that was being hinted at.
There's nothing crass or amoral about quantifying suffering. We do it all the time. Has a rape victim suffered more than a victim of car theft?
WOW!! Uneducated for real!! First of all, jews were not just gassed the first day. They were put to slavery as well. They had to work, with no pay, starved, tortured as well, some where used for medical experiements. My grandfather served in WWII and ended up having a ton of personal photos from his time served there. Some of the photos clearly haunt my memories. The personal story, knowing it was my grandfather who snapped the shot of Jews, clinging to the fence, pleas pouring out of some of their mouths, others with drawn faces, some stoic, others in severe depression and spirtitually broken. I am not talking spiritually of their religion, but as their person as a whole. I spent hours pouring over them with him telling me the story for each one we looked at. And top of that, the day he returned, he would have night terrors, resulting in him attacking my grandmother while they were sleeping. His last days, him having dementia provided some entertainment and sadness. He constantly was in fear of bombs, thought people were being tortured.
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So, you really want to be a jew at that time?
Again, how can one compare the two? The africans had to be holed up in their own excrement, compacted with dead bodies, bitten by bugs and rats, fed little if any at all, beaten, some raped as they traveled over here. Then, they were imprisoned, some beaten again, sold, separated from their families. Sold to incredibly hard work with no pay, little food, again, some raped, some murdered flat out. How do you compare the two when they are the same, that many experienced the same plight?
Again, disgusting. A personal choice is your personal choice of who you would rather be. But, how sick is it when you are trying to chose between two horrific historical nightmares?
Again, what right do we even have to try to argue this? Who are we to take away the nightmarish hardships and pains from anyone who lived through this?
You know what makes me sick? We have people who lived through this and many functioned in society on a normal standard, even productive, even bettered their lives. Yet, we have all these whiners because they were abused by their parents, etc. and use it as an excuse to be a-holes, to be a prostitute, to be a serial killer, and so on.
While slavery affects blacks the most, offering them no means of hiding, two factors are important here:
America successfully overcame this desease as no other. Blacks must now start to appreciate and cherish America and teach other nations the American lessons.
The definition of Slaves was turned into contract workers by the laws enshrined in the Hebrew bible. The holocaust was a result of racist Nazi porn embedded in some scriptures - which made the Jews as slaves in medevial Europe. Americans and blacks must start to hail the Jews and their bible - the exclusive source for the Constitution - and what made America see differently from European Christianity and Islam. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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the bible whether christian or jewish had nothing to do with the constitution
I have no idea why this thread is still going on.
The entire thing was a bomb-throw from a fool, chronic troll and anti-Semite who was subsequently banned.
I recommend closure - by closing it.
The entire issue is maniacal: which horror is worse? it begs. Abominable and stupid.
You are completely ignoring the fact that the Africans SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY FOR THE MONEY!!!! Why is it that fact is always forgotten?
Whereas the Jews had NO choice and were FORCED into concentration camps where the children depending on age were automatically killed as well as most women! The Africans weren't targeted and what about Thomas Jefferson who had a secret family with his slave. I guess he was a "typical cracker" who abused his slave... Maybe with his meat goblin that's about it.
It isn't true.
You might as well say the Germans killed themselves in the Holocaust.
Yes it is,,,, Throwing them off the ship for protesting or killed because they did not understand the red devils and some died
cause of the enslavement. Sharks ate them. That cruelty.
“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
You look like a guy i know from Caucasus Mountains, South Russia Georgia. Do you knows him?
You're asking questions from a permanently banned member on a thread that has been dead for years.
Slavery has always been going on and still today. Every historical society practiced slavery. Its just some cases become more of recent historical record or note to focus on.
Humans are the only species to brutally and literally enslave even their own like an object which technically is just parasitism.
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