SLAVERY: Ends justify the means

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  1. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Good, your one of us
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Because as previously pointed out, what is done is done and there is no justification for slavery. Slavery was a horrific institution.
     
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  5. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    But some good did come out of it?
     
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  7. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    In the same sense that some good came out of the holocaust, assuming you believe that there was such a thing....
     
  8. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    pretty sure the Holocaust occured....
     
  9. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Are you pretty sure that some good came of it?
     
  10. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Sure, weren't the Palestinian people made to 'give' a large chunk of land over to the Jews for reperations? That was pretty good....if your were Jewish.
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    *Rocks back and forth making keening noises*
     
  12. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Keening?
     
  13. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    It
    It Cant be that bad....
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Yes, yes it is.

    Millions of people were enslaved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and transported from Africa. A large portion died, others were treated worse than farm animals and murdered. Generations of slavery, grievous treatment and a denial of any basic human rights. They were not even classified as being human beings.

    And the result of this slave trade, the attitude towards African Americans continues to this day. They weren't even allowed the right to vote or marry outside of their race until fairly recently. They were killed indiscriminately because they are black.

    The racism that exists in society, the stereotypes about African Americans and how white people view them, stems from the days of slavery.

    How can anyone suggest that good came out of it, because they now live in America, is frankly, beyond me. Slavery was and continues to be a stain on humanity's existence on this planet. No good came out of it. Just because their descendants live in America now, does not mean any good came out of it.

    And just because Jews were given a state of their own, is not a good that came out of the Holocaust. At all. Millions died, millions driven from their homes and kept in concentration camps in the bid to wipe them out and you think some good came out of that because they got their own country?

    To voice what everyone else here is thinking... What the fuck, dude?

    To even consider such a thing, be it for slavery or the creation of Israel, is absolutely repugnant.
     
  15. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Ok well, that sums it up...no good came from either historical happenings...Ive always pictured some good coming from any situation, according to 'everyone', Im wrong.
     
  16. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    I'd rather live in USA than Liberia or tanzania and I would wager that any Liberian or tanzanian would jump at the opportunity to immigrate here....however, Im not sure if these same people would give up there freedom and work as slaves if that meant their future generations would have a chance at freedom and nonpoverty....they might.
     
  17. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    What kind of stereotypes?
     
  18. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Dont we have an African American holding the highest public office for going on 8 years?
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    While ignoring the reality that Liberia and Tanzania's situation today because of European interference and yes, slavery in the past and present.

    Are you serious?

    Are you seriously suggesting that people would opt to be forcibly removed from their homes, denied even the recognition of being human beings, slaughtered in large numbers, forced into slave labour to enrich their owners because their future generations might benefit from it in some way, which they are still to do in the US?


    I have to ask, are you trolling at this point? Because no one could seriously ask that question if they weren't trolling.

    I could refer to your comments in the racism thread and the stereotypes you employed there as a prime example.

    And?

    The very same African American who has continuously faced questions about his being a natural born citizen, called all sorts of names, because he is black? That very same President?

    Americans of all stripes were justifiably proud when the country elected its first black president in 2008, and again when he was reelected in 2012. The fact is that no other comparable democracy, in Europe or elsewhere, was then or would now be prepared to elect a leader from a minority group. But even as I watched the celebrations on election night in November 2008, I felt an undercurrent of unease. Heartening as it was, this was not a sign that we had broken the back of racism or of racially driven divisions in the country. The election of an African-American president could be seen by racists in America as a sign that they could be more blunt in expressing their views. After all, who could now say America is racist? And the same mindset could lead others to enable statements or actions that would otherwise be seen as over the line. And, of course, the inevitable harsh criticism of a president by partisans on the other side, something that comes with the territory, could easily take on a racial dimension for Barack Obama.

    It didn't take long for the latter phenomenon to emerge, with the birther movement, which on its face was ludicrous. To believe that Obama was not born in the United States meant that you had to believe that there had been a vast conspiracy 47 years earlier that included two Hawaiian newspapers that reported contemporaneously on his birth. A conspiracy, apparently, to enable a Kenyan-born Muslim plant smuggled in via Indonesia to be cultivated for decades as a Manchurian candidate to become president and destroy America as we know it. To be sure, delegitimizing a president has become a reality in the age of the permanent campaign—Bill Clinton, remember, was accused of being an accessory to murder—but to suggest that a president is a foreigner born in Africa takes it to a different level.

    Over time, the hostility toward Obama grew dramatically, and so did racist statements. Actually, it did not take very long. One year into his presidency, ABC News catalogued an array of racially tinged and overtly racist statements or actions taken against Obama. They came from election and party officials and media figures, including Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. In the years since, the number of prominent figures using race as a wedge only grew. They include a New Hampshire police commissioner using the "N" word to refer to the president, a Montana federal district judge sending racist emails, and many others.

    Most troubling is that some of the most loathsome comments have been enabled and legitimized. After Ted Nugent called the president of the United States a "subhuman mongrel"—a term CNN's Wolf Blitzer noted was used by the Nazis to justify the extermination of Jews—Texas gubernatorial candidate Greg Abbott welcomed this incendiary and hateful figure at a campaign event. And Colorado Senate candidate Tom Tancredo excitedly announced that he had gotten Nugent to contribute one of his assault weapons for Tancredo to auction off to help finance his campaign.*

    When Ann Coulter referred to the black president as a "monkey" for Vladimir Putin—one of the most vile terms to apply to an African American, a term that, when used without malice by the late Howard Cosell to refer to a football player,resulted in massive criticism and ultimate removal from Monday Night Football—Fox News host Sean Hannity was taken aback, albeit in a bemused way, and offered Coulter a chance to rephrase. She refused. Many conservatives criticized her for the remarks, but she was right back on Hannity's TV and radio shows without any hiatus or punishment.
     
  20. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the guy that loads of people tried to claim wasn't actually "American" because they didn't see his birth certificate, and therefore should be ineligible to be the President?
     
  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    We could have just been faithful from the beggining.
     
  22. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. To a racist that kind of reasoning makes sense I guess. To normal people that is insane.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    The only people who benefited from the slave trade were the slave owners and those in position of power who were able to access slave labour for profit and gain.

    Frankly, how anyone could suggest that it was beneficial because African Americans get to live in the US now, defies all logic.

    And it is dangerous ideology, for obvious reasons. Because it springs forth the belief that slavery is an option for migration for benefit one's descendants.
     
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