Simple Line of Questioning about the Mentally Ill

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Tnerb, Jun 21, 2006.

  1. Tnerb Banned Banned

    The title is self expressant.
    The question is,
    "Are mentally ill people..."
    and it follows, compare/contrast,

    relating them with normal people. As in, if they, the mentally ill, are somehow fault, rather, somehow... wrong. Of course, this considers that the mentally ill, is simply the sort which goes down to the level of madness.

    If you notice a flaw in my type, please tell me about it.
    The question, relating it with madness and following my "logic" if it is "logic"; is that madness ...
    Do you see what i'm saying?

    Basically, "are mentally ill people at fault to reality related people"
    And, a discussion of this question, so that I can see for myself, the advantages of normality?
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  3. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member


    first you must define it..... which is very hard to do...

    its easy to say... mentally ill... but if you cant name the illness..

    is a it an illness???

    or a condition... brought on by circumstances and suffering in this life?

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  5. Tnerb Banned Banned

    The line of questioning was simple, as stated:
    can we ignore mentally ill people, in such regards that they haven't taken responsibility (is one "correct wording"); although, the first post says it much better...

    I suppose though you may be right.
    I don't know, what you think? no objection, or anything?
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  7. Tnerb Banned Banned

    My bad. "Mentally ill" would be those persons suffering from ..
    dang. got me. abnormality, irrational functioning. I suppose....

    Did he get me?
  8. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

    Are you a newage poet, brent?
  9. |2eptile Banned Banned

    Maybe I'm just dumb but I'm not quite sure what you are talking about Brent lol
  10. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

    Exactly.. the point of my post Reptile. I have been clueless for weeks.
  11. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

    TO ASSUME.... a person... any person.. is mentally ill...

    we would have to assume that the so called normals.... ARE NOT MENTALLY ILL.

    that... is highly debatable...

    one must remember.... where we, humans... came from..

    the wild...

    and as such.. it would be very beneficial for us to ...





    IN A MODERN WORLD... all these states of mind.. are justified..

    based on 10,000 years of evil.. of murder... of greed.. of stabbing others in the back....

    its a fucked up world.... is it any wonder that some people.. cant deal with it..


    simply dont want to anymore... its easier.. to just be crazy.. and not care.

    much easier.

  12. perplexity Banned Banned

    Did you ever see the inside of a hospital for the mentally insane?

    I am talking about people willing to stare for hours at the noise on TV set not tuned into a channel, and smearing their shit on walls for want of anything better to do with themselves.

    Would you rather have them round at your place to entertain you?

    --- Ron.
  13. Tnerb Banned Banned

    Allow me a second, to bring back together a peice I said above,
    Sorta simple. My question's not so not obvious or anything. Maybe it is, i don't know... I know thou, that the point here ^^above is just the right question.
    For those saying i'm dumb, well, figure THAT out by yourselfs

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    It is sometimes difficult for me to get out what I want to say I guess. I'm no newage poet though. I'm a new-age-rocker. :bugeye:

    Anyway... ***"and, a discussion of this question, so that I can see for myself, the advantages of normality?" surely, I must admit; to sounding rather new-age-poet-ish.

    For those who don't know me, see the thread,
    in the free thoughts,
    Mental health and the existentialists: III, in which on page 2, you can find out most.
    Also, I am 20 yr old, with issues, my "poet" style is actual from lack of ability to function properly in real life, I'm going through some tough shit.

    Fuckin stinks..
    Regardless, as I've said before, I believe that my above importance in blue is valid. Not sure though, if someone'd like ta try and help me

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  14. Tnerb Banned Banned

    Fortunately (or unfortunately?)---no..

    That is sad you aren't really wrong there.

    I didn't get your point?
  15. perplexity Banned Banned

    Is it a fault to sit and stare at nothing, to smear shit on the walls?

    You tell me.

    --- Ron.
  16. Tnerb Banned Banned

    Now, why the hell should I?

    I personally believe, it IS, actually, a fault, to sit and stare at nothing. I don't see your point.
    To smear shit on walls, gotta suck

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  17. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

    when a person.... who accepts that life sucks... and doesnt care anymore..

    is locked up... he may throw urine, and smear shit on the walls.

    but if that same person... was in his own home..
    and was somehow comfortable there... with money and friends..

    that same person would never smear shit on his walls.

    beliefs... are the first issue... they lead to attitudes...
    attitudes.. lead to decisions....

    and our decisions are our behavior.

    if he believes that life sucks... hes scum and worthless.. and that he hates his enviorment... HE WILL HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE....

    and when bored... he may make any number of decisions...

    especially to piss off others... like smearing shit on the walls.

    prisoners... in jail.. i hear... often cover 'themselves' with their own shit.

    cover their own body!!!! and why???? TO PISS OFF THE GUARDS who are coming to take them away somewhere....

    the guards... understandibly... dont like it.

  18. Tnerb Banned Banned

    my question is actually something like that. it's "can or should they be ignored".
    can we forget them.

    please pour out your reasons, oh intelligent(s)
  19. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

    Would you like to be placed with them because someone disagrees with your politics, your religious beliefs, or your sexuality? How about being put with them because you are victim of constant bullying and can't take the stress?
  20. Tnerb Banned Banned

    Metakron, nice to hear from you---tell me please have you been to one? I am confused to this,
    just curious.
  21. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

    This doesn't seem to be quite safe enough an environment to admit something like that.

    Who is crazy? The person who has odd beliefs and perceptions, or the person who mistreats people for having those odd beliefs and perceptions?
  22. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

    THERE is a cable show... tv funhouse... a bunch of fake puppet animals...

    hilarious.. i love that show... in that show.. there is a monkey.

    he has, ii remember.. a couple times... has thrown shit.

    as monkeys are known to do.... it was hilarious.

    now... everytime i think of throwing my shit at someone... it automatically strikes me as being a very funny thing to do... because my mind flashes threw all relative memories... and what do i find?? quickly remember??? alot of comedy.

    haha... is what i remember... and so.. if i was impulsive, drunk and stupid, i might actually throw shit at people... so look out.

    that is what i believe is the source of most problems.

    ideas.. were put into the mind.... burned in... by being so memorable.

    life tramas.... experiences... tramatic ones.... great days.. great moements..

    bad moments... terrible times.. moments....

    those are the things that shape the mind, by shaping the memory of the mind.

    the memory is instantanious... i.e.. brain flash.. .
    1) position happens.... possiblities..
    2) ideas swirl... the ones actally do-able line up...
    3) selection and re-analyisis... (indecision)(hesitation)
    4) action... examination.. re-check position.

    in this way.. when in a rage... if i have access to shit... and my hated enemy is near... the idea of throwing shit would be high on my list of things i can do.

    but if i have no shit, and i am wearing a nice silk suit... then having to bend down and shit into my hand to get shit, is not high on this the list of actions to take.

    insanity.. can come in many forms.. but generally due to bad habits, and bad experiences, and alot of bad moments, the relative programing that a given human may have developed can be very schewed.. or slanted.. bent and warped...
    but it is not there fault...
    deteremining what proposals our minds put forth in given situations,, allows you and me... anyone.. to self analyse the mind...

    i.e.. when you look at something.. what throughts does your mind go threw...??

    if i say... apple pie. you mind flashes threw all experiences you remember about eating it.... smelling it.. making it.. and things that have happenned around it.
    one of which might be suger..

    you may have been tramatised by sugar..

    thus instantly.. the mention of apple pie, made you think of what its made of.
    and you thought of sugar.. and instantly.. that sugar trama is resurfaced.

    what you do, about your constantly resurfacing tramas... is our sanity.

  23. Tnerb Banned Banned

    interesting stuff.
    thanks guys.
    i had wanted conversation about the simple question presented by me.

    i'll watch, keep goin...

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