Should pro-science world citizens form their own independent nation?

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by cosmictotem, Mar 13, 2015.

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Should pro-science citizens from around the world form a pro-science nation?

  1. Yes

    7.7%
  2. No

    61.5%
  3. Depends

    38.5%
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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    From the above post the following sentence in the last paragraph
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  3. jabbaska Registered Member

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    Oh yeah...

    Anyways, we can't have only one thing going on, be it a religion, a creed or something else. Humans are diverse and diversity is what made us what we are. It is time though for people to think for themselves and accept reality as it is, and not as it should be, or rather as they want it to be. I don't think we can have an utopic, technocratic society but I believe the human species will accept their lonely place in the cosmos in a near future. As long as you use critical thinking everyday and teach others how to use it, even though you want to believe in a god, society will evolve on its own I think. We just need the right people to teach us (Neil deGrasse; Phil Plait; Brian Coxx; Brian Greene; among many others).

    You DON'T have to be an Astrophysicist in order to think critically and understand the basic rules of the Universe, at least the ones we already know and in some way "control". After people understand how things work at a basic level, their innate human curiosity will drag them to a more advanced understanding and that is how you build scientists, showing people we never know anything and there is still a whole lot of stuff to discover. If that will take us humans to science only so be it, but I doubt it, people are too rebel and most of them - unfortunately or not - need to have faith in something besides science.

    Myself, I'm very self-righteous when it comes to religion. Atheist since a tender age I would love to believe we should eradicate religion one way or the other...but that would work for myself only..and since I'm not alone in the world, a different approach is needed me thinks.

    - Cristopher Hitchens

    Edit: We would need to think very wisely before trying to change people...even though I agree with Hitchens here.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    There have been scientist politicians in many governmental bodies around the world already. They end up being the same as everyone else in the long run for if they don't vote the way their party is voting their next bill could be thrown away due to non support by other non scientists.
     
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I'm rather certain that it would work for most of the world, not just those of us who are already free of religion.

    Just look around: the parts of the world where religion is still a powerful force (especially the Middle East, but also to a lesser extent in, say, Indiana) are the places where civilization is struggling for survival. In Europe, (most of) the USA, Japan, the Antipodes, (even China), where religion is fading into a comfortable collection of legends and aphorisms, civilization is stronger and the Post-Industrial Era is settling in more-or-less nicely.

    The problem is, precisely, trying to help the people in the religiously benighted lands find a way to put their fairytales and their ridiculous how-many-angels-on-a-pin disagreements behind them, but also how to keep civilization advancing in our parts of the globe, without being constantly distracted by the supernaturalists who regard us as the problem!
     
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  8. jabbaska Registered Member

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    I agree with you but there are approximately 6 billion people in the world, that is why I emphasized the fact we needed to do it wisely, very wisely and very slowly I think. For poorer countries all we need is to prove god doesn't feed them, science does (mass growing; genetically modified food; etc) but the thing is, their "leaders" are not hungry for food, they are hungry for more power and they will reject anything that can eventually take them off their thrones - yes, thrones...literally thrones, some even made of pure gold....Those people in these countries know very little of the outside world, many of them only know what they see everyday with their eyes, so they speculate about the rest. One would have to show them what is going on outside their countries, in orbit and in deep space. They need to know there is more and a god doesn't make any sense.

    I could give you so many reasons to prove how hard it would be to eradicate religion but I think you get my point. It is not impossible though, far from it...it will just take some time. Social Evolution, the trend is going to the scientific side so I expect less and less religious people in the future. But power man, unless you take the power out of religious leaders, there's so much you can do...mainly the most fundamentalist.

    Anyway, we've seen it happening in books and sci movies, science taking over the world, and it's always a stupid, macabre view...maybe we should show people how wonderful the world could be if we wouldn't make real life choices based on fairy tales..
     
  9. TBodillia Registered Senior Member

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    You missed the Pew study that said about 51% of scientists believe in a god or a higher power.

    "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." Einstein
     
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