Should men have a say in abortion ?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by RainbowSingularity, May 25, 2019.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    OK! So, you're busy advocating for excellent affordable perinatal care - insuring good health, good nutrition and a safe, wholesome environment for every expectant mother and every baby in your country.

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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Simple. They revere "potential" life - one that's not been wracked up yet. Wait a year; the brat won't be worth its weight in welfare pittance.
     
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  5. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That's a great point. Obviously, we should be careful to cast a wide net over all pro-lifers...some are outliers, but many fall into the ''I'm tired of my tax dollars going to pay for people who have kids who can't support them.'' lol
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    ...while at the same time denying sex education and birth control to the same women and girls they blame for getting pregnant.
    (BTW I do not for one second believe that 1% statistic. As many as 8 rapes or coerced seductions go unreported, unrecorded and unpunished. And a great many of those were committed throughout their carefree beer-loving youth and rise to power by top level legislators and jurists who are now in a position to rule against their victims.)
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    . . . so let's ban abortion and have more of them! Come to think of it, ban contraception and sex education too! I don't want to spend $1 on education that will save me $100 in supporting unwanted kids. It's immoral!

    It's a position that has never made much sense to me.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I agree! I am all for better prenatal care, better post-natal care and better education for women on the topic. (God knows we desperately need those things - we have a higher infant mortality rate than most other developed countries, especially in the South.) I also advocate for choosing adoption over abortion.

    I just don't agree that the final decision should be up to a clueless government bureaucrat. The person carrying the fetus should have the freedom to choose.
     
  10. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Because you seem to have respect for women, as individuals.

    I found this interesting:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/abortion-access-men-feminism/
     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Then we have given up and admitted that it is much more practical to abort a child than raise a child. Apparently the bureaucrats think so since it's the law.

    Cool. Should we trust the bureaucrats to manage those things? (honest question)
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I can't guarantee that, nor can you, nor can any government. Let me ask you this, is it worth living in an imperfect world?


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  13. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know about the government, but if the community was willing to make that commitment...

    We're talking about abortion, right?
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Different topics completely. Agreed?
     
  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You can't guarantee your support of gun control and abolition of the death penalty to save precious lives?
    Then what good are you?
     
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  16. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Not if the topic is the sanctity of human life.
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Disagreed...
    ...by you!
     
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    If you want this thread to drift into those areas of discussion, then I suppose you can try pushing it in that direction. I will tell you now that I don't support gun rights for infants, nor should they suffer capital punishment.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, I don't admit that at all. I think it is more practical to have the child and then put the child up for adoption. I just don't think that my opinion on that overrules the right of a woman to be in charge of her body.
    I wouldn't trust a bureaucrat to manage sex education. I WOULD trust them to write a check to an experienced teacher, and have him/her do it.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Explain how "the sanctity of life" is observed?

    If everything that ever lived is dead, and everything that is alive is going to die, where does the sanctity of life come in?
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly! You don't even try to look the children you already have.
    Look at the state of health care, education and child welfare in the states where pro-lifers rule.
     
  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Life Good Death Bad .... (well sorta selectively)

    Okay, so the people who get shot by crazed killers, crazed cops and other crazed fellow 'merricans were not alive before they were gunned down?
    And the prisoners, maybe random bystanders picked up by chance, maybe disabled people, maybe kids caught up in the culture of violence you propagate, were not alive before you state-sanctimonously snuffed 'em?
    If those are different topics, you should make that distinction in your publicity; change your designation from "pro life" to something more truthful and descriptive, or at least append a subtitle: "pro any life that will never threaten me, inconvenience me, irritate me, compete with me, or cost me money.
     
  23. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Read something on Twitter - “pro forced birth” ...that’s a better descriptor because pro life means that you care about nearly all life, anyway.
     
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