Should intellectual Dishonest be more strictly moderated?

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Kittamaru, Aug 17, 2015.

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Should Intellectual Dishonesty be more strictly moderated/punished?

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  1. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    So you feel that intentionally and repeatedly misquoting someone is not dishonest? That ignoring arguments you dislike or cannot disprove isn't dishonest? Please, elaborate on this.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You would have to both prove that there was a misquote, and an intent to misquote, which is very hard to do. Simply alleging dishonesty doesn't hack it. And people ignore points and arguments for many reasons. Many I ignore because they're so irrelevant to the debate that they derail the discussion. Like whether a lie is an intentional lie or just a falsehood, both definitions of which are found in the dictionary. Many others I ignore because they are based on false assumptions, because they are red herrings, or because they are strawmen. Doesn't mean there is an intent to deceive going on.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Then, in the interest of integrity, that poster should, at the very least explain WHY they think the accusation is unfounded.

    Hmm, and when the evidence, in the form of posts, is right there on the screen it's that hard to do. Like I said earlier: it comes down to irredeemable stupidity or deliberate dishonesty.

    Nope.
    But mischaracterising the motive is nice way of making yourself seem like the victim. Well done.

    Um, maybe because the accusations of dishonesty should have evidence for them. You know, the way I have that evidence for my accusations against you.

    Ooh! And an unfounded accusation that further makes it looks like you're the victim instead of just being a liar.
     
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  7. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Are you even aware of your posting history on here?
     
  8. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    So, you ignore irrelevant posts hm? So, why have you ignored repeated requests in the Bigfoot threads to explain how the creature could overcome the Biological Requirement for Genetic Diversity?
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Or maybe because you think if you don't acknowledge those points you can get away with repeating the false claims at a later time.

    I'll ask again then: are you stupid or dishonest?
    Because the frequency with which you do all of which you're accused has to be the result of one or the other.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I already told you I don't respond to you in the GMU thread because you bring up irrelevant points and try to trap me with infractions. I don't trust you, and given your history of banning me for totally bogus reasons, can you blame me?
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    There's plenty of evidence to support everything that you are accused of.
    In fact there is extraordinary evidence to support all claims re your general lack of honesty.
    [Although we do not have any extraordinary evidence to support any of your nonsense]
    In any other forum you would have been permanently banned long ago for your lies and deceit.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You really need to stop with the trolling insults. It's doing nothing for your credibility, and not disposing me to much respond to you anymore.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Once again you mistake factual statements and sincere questions as "trolling insults".

    Thankfully my credibility doesn't depend on anything you say.

    That would suit me perfectly.
    That way I get to point out your numerous and egregious errors without you lying/ misrepresenting what I've said in reply.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Depending entirely on what YOU say, as in juvenile trollish insults.


    And so now you know why your ignored, which no doubt will be construed by you as some lying attempt on my part to do something dishonest. Or was it stupid? Your repetitive childish insults seem to blur together after awhile.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    There's that failure to distinguish again.

    *You're*.

    Or, possibly, it's just that you're tired of lying and also can't come up with rebuttals that are in any way valid.

    Because it's so much easier for you to claim "insults" than to be honest, right?
     
  16. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    And this is why people call you out... when you cannot prove them wrong with facts, and they don't accept bullshit responses from you you have a tantrum like a child and ignore them...

    Answer the question MR.
     
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, this thread about the theoretical lambasting of a possible troll has certainly gone downhill in that it is now the actual lambasting of a possible troll.

    Sigh. (And I write that sigh not merely for the purposes of rhetoric, but as a textual expression of my own reaction, totally invisible to the reader.) I have a moment, I suppose, and a trusting nature, and a spare moment and no particular horse in the race.

    Perhaps management would care for me to examine this case and pronounce finding? A more equanimous viewing you will not find.

    (And why does the SF spellcheck not have the British spelling of 'equanimous'? Surely it isn't that esoteric or recondite. Isn't this website hosted in one or other of the colonies of the Empire? Isn't it run by a member in the faraway desert land of Mel Gibson and vintage fighting wines, the descendant of murderers and thieves? Did we conquer all those innocent lands just so we could be subjected to Americanized spelling at every turn? Positively colours my jaw, harrumph harrumph.)
     
  18. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    The discussion itself I am, honestly, only tangentially interested in (as it was inevitable that the "woe is me" self victimization would occur) - merely, I am interested to know what our active membership feels. After all, what good is it to have rules if we don't actually enforce them?
     
  19. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    MR, I find it exceedingly humorous and enlightening that you think intellectual dishonesty should not be strictly moderated. Talk about an indefensible position!
     
  20. tali89 Registered Senior Member

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    For someone who complains endlessly about intellectual dishonesty, you sure have a habit of misrepresenting the viewpoints of other posters. Physician, heal thyself.
     
  21. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Please, do tell - with quotes if you can. Otherwise your claim is just so much noise
     
  22. tali89 Registered Senior Member

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    I just quoted you misrepresenting MR. He claimed one thing, and then you erroneously attributed a viewpoint to him that he never expressed. Isn't it rather interesting that individuals who scream 'intellectual dishonesty' at the top of their lungs are the ones who engage in the most skulduggery? Projection at its finest.
     
  23. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Did that happen in this thread? I am curious could you show where that happened?
     

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