Should humans drink cow's milk?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by clusteringflux, Apr 22, 2008.

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Should adult humans drink cow's milk?

  1. No. It's for baby cows.

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  2. Yes. What else goes with cookies?

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  1. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    What's your sign?

    Just kidding. It was the first google return but I've heard it from dairy farmers as well, they wouldn't dream giving it to their calves.
     
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  5. K Ryan Registered Member

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    This is very interesting. The FDA is fighting hard with their big company buddies to get rid of raw milk. examples-

    sciencenews.org/articles/20031101/food.asp

    mojones.com/news/outfront/2004/01/12_401.html

    Intriguingly, the FDA has created a Power Point presentation to highlight just how bad raw milk is and the Real Milk Campaign has shot back with a slide by slide response - REFERENCES INCLUDED!

    realmilk.com/documents/SheehanPowerPointResponse.pdf
     
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  7. Letticia Registered Senior Member

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    All CBC article does is list what opponents of pasteurization claim -- and makes it clear it is just a claim. No studies are cited:

    Yes, "says the group." And another group says 9/11 was an inside job. CBC reports on groups, that's all.
     
  8. Letticia Registered Senior Member

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    I can easily believe that. As I said above, cow's milk is a pefect food for calves, and pasteurization makes it not so. Which does not imply that pasteurized milk is any worse for humans. To us, it was never perfect food to begin with.

    Would these dairy farmers dream of giving calves human milk?
     
  9. K Ryan Registered Member

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    Pasteurized milk may actually be much more dangerous than raw milk.

    References (Conclusions – The Failure of Pasteurization)
    • Binderova E and Rysanek D. Microbial contaminants of milk processed by high‐temperature short‐time pasteurization. Veterinarni Medicina.
    1999;44(10):301‐308.
    • Gunasekera TS, Sorensen A, Attfield P, Sorensen SJ, Veal DA. Inducible Gene Expression by Nonculturable Bacteria in Milk after Pasteurization.
    Appl Environ Microbiol. 2002;68(4):1988‐1993 (and references therein).


    Here are your studies and reports.

    karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm
     
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  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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  11. K Ryan Registered Member

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    I'm sorry I guess I should have explaned it better and in more detail.

    Milk does not contain the actual lactase. It contains friendly bacteria that produce lactase. It is the friendly bacteria in raw milk that facilitate the creation of lactase in the intestine where it is needed. Just because the lactase comes from bacteria instead of our own production doesn't mean that it is any less useful to us. That is why many lactose-intolerant people can drink raw milk or yogurt without a problem. Pasteurization kills these friendly bacteria.

    I don't think I need a reference or link to a scientific study for this one since it is clear that the point of pasteurization is to kill bacteria (good or bad) in the milk. It's pretty simple cause and effect. I'm sure you can think at least some scenarios through yourself without needing someone to do a study for you. But if you want them they are in the above posts.



    It's surprising to see such resistance to my claims on a science forum since it has always been science vs politicians and large companies when it comes to food, global warming, the environment etc.

    I can back up every claim I have made in this thread with studies, articles and references. Anyone feel free to let me know what else in my posts you find not believable.
     
  12. Malakas Banned Banned

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    Fascinating question.

    I counter-ask:

    Should humans eat meat?
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    Do I sense sarcasm ?
    You said that "We in fact are the only creature on earth who depends on another creatures excrament...", it is simply not true.
     
  14. Archie Registered Senior Member

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    Why not?

    Since humans have been drinking cow's milk since the dawn of recorded history, I submit worrying about it now is just a bit late. Yes, there are some humans who are allergic or have other adverse reactions, they are the extreme minority.

    Somewhat changing the subject:
    Enmos, do you enjoy any alcoholic beverages? Alcohol is the excrement of certain bacteria upon consuming sugar, you know. I won't go so far as to use the term 'depend', but I rather enjoy certain types of that excrement. Whiskey and wine come to mind.
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    Archie, we agree. You should direct that at Cannon

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  16. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I'm allergic to milk...it makes me have episodes resembling a petit mal seizure.
     
  17. Archie Registered Senior Member

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    In your case, VI, I'd recommend avoiding milk. You probably have to maintain a high degree of awareness in the matter, I would think.

    But you have to admit your circumstance does not negate the general use of cow's milk, does it?
     
  18. popper Registered Member

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    electricfeatus - 1 awful name, are you just trying to gross people out 2 just wanted some simple infomation and now im all angry due to the tone of your posts 3. don't feel like youve given any useful information.

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  19. popper Registered Member

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    k ryan - your posts are the only well thought through responses on here....mine included. thanks!
     
  20. superstring01 Moderator

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    I love the stuff. Nothing goes better with chocolate chip cookies.

    When it gives you bubble-guts and nasty swamp-ass.

    I don't "prefer" soy milk, but it's what I drink. Silk: Unflavored, Unsweetened (in the greenish container). It's as close to perfect as non-moo-juice gets.

    ~String
     
  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    I used to work there. Lemme see if I can scrounge up a picture of me being the fry cook!

    Supporting your point, researchers believe that lactose tolerance in adults is one of our most recent evolutionary leaps. That you were tolerant as a child but lost it in adulthood merely points out how you (and I) are just slightly less evolved than our more tolerant friends.

    Cro-magnon!

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  22. stateofmind seeker of lies Valued Senior Member

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    Where did you get human milk?
     
  23. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    From my mother. She often pumped milk for my little brother when he was an infant, which I was curious enough to sneek out of the fridge and taste. I didn't remember from the first time around

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    . It tastes okay (not bad; not good), but too much would probably make you want to throw up.
     

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