Should Freedom of Religion include Freedom from Religion?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Goldtop, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it’s empiricism, knowledge by way of empiricism requires tangible evidence to substantiate it. If a god wants to be known empirically, which is how human beings know things, then it will do so accordingly. Using gods as a solution to empirical questions is not qualitatively equivalent to non-god solutions.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They didn't.
    You have a habit of making little changes in the wording of other people's posts, and odd slipperiness in your own (careful reading produces nonsense, sense must be provided by fudging and interpolation) - but that is a feature of your posting. Other people's should be read as posted.
     
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  5. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    They do it all the time, repeatedly.
    They just did it again, right above your post, right in their first sentence.
     
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  7. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    It's a really good thing you didn't say that to my face, as a coward hiding behind an anonymous name, you did, so I'll place you exactly where you belong, on ignore. Bye.
     
  8. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    You speak as if the loss is mine.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    ? Can't find it.
     
  10. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Then I guess you must have them on ignore
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    But isn't every god just a big sock-puppet for his representatives on earth?

    At least Colbert is honest about it!
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not saying God is empirical, only that in order to have a good reason to believe it, you need evidence. You can't just make up a concept out of thin air, call it off limits to empiricism, and be reasonable in believing it.
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It's a conclusion based on evidence. Both are lacking in empirical evidence.
    You should think of a better word than schism. Every difference of opinion is not a schism.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Less than a sock puppet

    A sock puppet is a pretend you

    god is a pretend other, creator of you, a Sky Daddy based on nothing but wishful thinking

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  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It's a lot more than wishful thinking. The function of a god is not so much to grant prayers as to issue commandments. Speaking for/through a god, you get to tell everyone what-all they're forbidden to do, wear, eat, say and feel; what they're required to believe, tithe, celebrate and sacrifice; whom they must shun, despise, venerate, love, kill or follow; how they should live and treat their children. What the reward is for compliance and the punishment for disobedience.
    Maybe that's too much work for a sock-puppet; maybe the modern ones are more like giant waldos.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So outside of empiricism, what do you propose?
     
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Then once again, you've done nothing but take us on a wondrous circuit that never actually left the garden of empiricism.

    As mentioned already, when the opinions are diametrically opposed, its a schism. If you want a different word, I will first require a different type of opinion from yourself.
     
  18. Stephen H Banned Banned

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    I am finding it very hard to believe that a Christian told you "no one should have freedom from religion". Of course I could have missed the context. But I can well believe a Muslim told you "no one should have freedom from religion", as this is part and parcel of Islam. Muslims are born muslims so have no choice in the matter and what is worse, for those who leave this so called religion Islam, there is a punishment of death.
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Christians of various sects have told me that. Some say no 1 has the right to not believe in Jesus.

    Unlike some online idiocy, no 1 has said it to me twice face-to-face.

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  20. Stephen H Banned Banned

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    And have these same "Christians" mentioned to you if or not there is a penalty for "not believing in Jesus" as there is for those who do not believe in Allah and his so called prophet Muhammad?

    APOSTASY: Bukhari : 9.84.57. - ISLAM AND APOSTASY" Prophet Muhammad said: Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

    Quran 3:56-"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran 8:39
    And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.


    Surah 9:5 - "Fightandslaythe pagans wherever ye find them andseizethem,confinethem, andlie in waitfor them in every place ofambush".
     
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  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    You should probably pay attention to history.

    And start thinking for yourself. Reciting uneducated agit-prop tropes like just another zombie zealot isn't effective.
     
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