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Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by duendy, Mar 14, 2006.

  1. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    did any of you see this docu. last night on UK TV called 'ArtShock: Is Bad Art For Bad People?'
    it was presented by Jake Chapman, and featured....shockin art. people cutting their bodies, people paying to be humiliated, all kinds of shit.

    i wanna ask you, whether you see this or not. do YOU chpose to experiende shocking art? and if so, ca you explain why you do this? orrr, why you think others do? any thoughta allowed
     
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  3. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    I didn't see this program, so can't comment on it's specific content, but I have seen a few 'controversial' installations.

    To be honest, I think it depends what you call 'art'. I don't think that anything can be labelled as art, and I certainly think there are far too many pretentious wannabes who use shock and controversy to try and milk the media for attention (boring nobodies like Tracy Emin, for example).

    An ex girlfriend of mine was an art teacher. She maintained that the purpose of art was to challenge and shock people. I disagreed, and my pov that art was to entertain people. I pointed out that art is contrived controversy, whereas science (and you knew I'd steer it round to this somehow) created real moral dilemmas.

    But anyway, a shark in formaldehyde is somehow art, and more thought provoking than a real shark, or shark steaks in a fishmongers shop window, purely because it is presented as art? I don't think so. Similarly, an 'artist' depicting some of the thing you said were featured in the program, I don't think are art, just life.

    That said, if life doesn't make people think, and they need to be led to art, to be shocked into thinking, that's sad.
     
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  5. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    fuck me. ...one reponse. is yu all dead or waht?

    my thought about that programme. is i agree a bit with you..i call call a lot of it just the thrill of shcoking and being shockd/frisson along wid te artybabble. BUT i also sense something deeper goin down

    ohhhh phlo do you knooow phlo. it is orgiatic ned we are missing that i feel artists are TRYING to provide ...but seemingly become victims of the middle classianas...a bit like the opposite and same on some occasions as he court jester? only in the blood gore shocjk horror genre it's more te shock jester.....patronized for the function to give the qwell heeled investors a thwill....and ote members of te public who want to seem arrty and hip

    but dont want to get too negative. there is also a lot of good shit that means a lot for artist processing it and for people that get stuff from it. however i still feel tat we nee to more begin exploring commmunal sacramental orgia
     
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  7. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't seem like something I would like, but it does reflect an increasingly chaotic world.
     
  8. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    exactly...chaotic MIND more though. for it's our relatioship with te natrual world that is chaotic....but i feel te need NOWhas to be deeper expressed than art as we hae become to understand it in its modernist guise, and postmodernist attiude
     
  9. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I think that the purpose of art is to amaze people.

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    (the: WHOA!! deep breath moment) And through that timeless moment, when the mind of the viewer/listener is opened, you can put through your message, if wish or there is such.

    Certainly disagree with shocking as the main purpose. A shock could be only a side effect, but certainly not the purpose of the work itself. Nothing positive is gained out of shocking, I think.
     
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  10. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    one scene was awful. a German artist seemingly covered in blood and greease, naked

    and he had cut a VERY long deep gash in hisleg...blood deeped out round his knee!

    i looked thru fingers.

    was explained that his intention was to help excorcize the still-ingrained nazism guilt in Austrian society

    now i know tru studying, privately transpersonal psychology--Stan Grof especially who used to do LSD psychotherapy befo it got banned and now dos a 'transpersonal' non-drug experiential therapy he calls 'Hlotropic Brething'...wellll apparently in peoples experiences therer is a dimension of experience he calls Basic Perinatal 3, which involves all forms of stuff like that artist was doing, ---what Grof calls 'Dionysian energy', also all forms of sado masochistic sex, and scat....you name it , haha
    so do ya see what i mean?

    now i am not saying people have to endure that via 'therapy'. i can see it is a NEED. but i challenge tat it is the only means.......?
    hiis metod is very much based on his pychoanalytic training of interiorization. i am not meaning we should do violent cts. what i really feel is we should be able to have freedom to allow energies in a celebratory way rather frm the Orphic cathartic way....hahah...seriously. i am having to o into this innit
    you see i dont like MONO. for people who would want Grofian style, cool. but not have it as only model. for i feel Wetern ideology is more influenced by Orphic ascetic ideas. i am more intersted in the Indigenousway of bodily expression....in a ritualistc way
    a good exam-ple of what i mean is a new dance craze in ghettos of USA amonsgt mainly black peopl. where instead of violence they dance wildly...called 'clownin' and 'krump' etc


    so bodymind freedom is what i mean

    and i feel artists that are trying to chage tis mess ae trying in interesting but limited ways. in that we are now at the point we need to get truly radical before we blow the fukin planet up
     
  11. makeshift Registered Senior Member

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    do you ever know what you mean?
     
  12. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    yes and i write more than one bleedin senstence--ie., make MO effort to TRY explain/ what about YOU??
     

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