Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by quantum_wave, Aug 27, 2016.
What possible natural causes could their be for responding to "acknowledgements"?
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There are plenty of people who think that such a choice is predetermined. And that freewill is simply an illusion of the complexity of interrelated interactions that goes on at the micro level that we can't consciously comprehend. This, so some think, results in our consciousness thinking it has freewill yet it is actually simply rationalizing, as "choice", the actions the deterministic subconscious self is taking.
Others think the universe is not deterministic but rather inherently deterministic, but that this indeterminism is of a form that is probabilistically deterministic, still resulting in the absence of any true freewill and in existence only of this illusion that our conscious appears to make use of.
So is our choice between pizza and hamburger predetermined? Personally I would say that is indetermined but probabilistically determined (I.e. the outcome is indetermined but within a determined probability function).
Think of it as when we roll a die, we know the die wont turn into an elephant but that it could be any number between 1 and 6. Indeterminism might suggest that the result could be anything, but probabilistic determinism would say that it could be any number between 1 and 6.
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Don't ask me to be specific, because I don't have any more knowledge of the "as yet" unknown than anyone one else. I could go on about various possibilities, but they wouldn't impress anyone. This is the kind of investigation that requires individual ideas, hypotheses, personal monitoring of requests for acknowledgement, and interpretation of the results. It isn't a science that lends itself the repeatable observations, and in fact, there may be nothing to it at all.
However, it occurs to me that, for example, a person might have a concept of right living. Each individual might have a different opinion as to what right living entails. It might be obeying the local ordinances, or State and Federal laws, or some set of religious laws or doctrine, or it might just be abiding by your own self-imposed set of morals or self image. In regard to invoking an acknowledgement though, it might not matter what "right living" specifically entails for you, but instead it might just be that if you personally think your motivation is within your view of "right living", it might trigger some combination of laws that are required in order to get a meaningful result. Is that the kind of possibility that you are asking about?
Again, it sounds to me like stating the obvious and giving it a new name. If everyone decides that the earth should be taken care of and stops polluting then the earth will become cleaner. In politics it would be called a political movement. No need for prayers or "acknowledgements".
Perhaps that is all there is to it.
That's how I would look at it as well. My point is that few think (not no one) that their life is predetermined as in when they are born we know exactly how their life is going to go.
I consider that on the quantum level it is pretty random, on a practical level for us in daily life we make choices but many other factors determine how likely we are to make certain choices and of course there is the issue of is it free will if our unconsciousness made the choice a nanosecond before our consciousness "freely" made the decision.
I think we are saying the same thing. It's not as simple as free will or no free will. There is just no woo woo about the whole process.
Well said, Sarkus.
It seems that you'r Philosophy of Life and Living is a belief that positive thankin leads to positive results... an that dont sound so far fetched an is prolly even testable... so i see why you'r goin that rout... insted of first tryin to explain how the universe came to be.!!!
I can tell you this. I am a positive thinker, and I have always observed whether people I associate with are positive generally, or negative. It is clear to me that the more successful people that I have observed are more positive than negative.
So if my observations are giving me good information, then the question I asked myself is, what is it about being positive that leads to better results. My conclusion is that a person's attitude influences the outcomes around them.
Can that be translated into some natural law about conscious attitude and outcomes? That is one hypothesis that I have tested and have proven to my satisfaction.
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A "Philosophy of Life" i woud like to be reality is:::
That existance always has been... an it mainly consists of livin in holograms which each person programs for therself... e.g... anyone can always be happy... or sad... or anythang in between... whatever they choose.!!!
Now who woudnt want that... eh.!!!
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An if its true... that means you programmed the life that you are now livin Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
It would be as if living our lives was like a ride at an adventure park. If you don't like this ride, get off and try another, or tweek it to your satisfaction. A bit far removed from my sense of reality, but great for fanciful thinking Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Fanciful thankin indeed Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
But i thank somethin in that catigory will be posible someday... maybe even goin on now Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
As a "human"... you coud even experience how a dog... etc... actually experiences life... ie... the posibilities woud be endless.!!!
Beats the hell out of other far-fetched ideas such as a jugmental-Heaven... God-type stuff.!!!
You might be on to something. In any event, if the future holds such fanciful possibilities, it would fall within the set of "as yet" unknown natural laws. It would mean that science had made some significant advancements.
Hopefully, as science unfolds, it will be applied responsibly, and "responsible" means what I personally would consider responsible, lol.
PS: A couple of years ago you and I had some discussions, and I'm trying to remember a certain point that we disagreed on. I'll have to look back in the archives :shrug:
Well if thers an election i say vote for me... casuse in my plan everbody gets exactly what they want Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I thank it might of had to do wit whether or not biological humans coud be duplicated???... an i thank yes.!!!
Oh, that's it. Thanks for remembering. Wasn't it about if a robot could be made to be indistinguishable from a real living thing. I might have broadened my perspective a bit on the subject.
Yeah somptin like that.!!!
But other than that i thank we figered out most of the other questons about the universe Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Perhaps science can put together the atoms in a self replicating molecule. That would be a man made living thing. Get the sequence right, and long enough, and you have the makings of a human, indistinguishable from a natural born. Now how do we get the man made AI into the brain?
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