Sexual harassment

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by timojin, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. you are just flat-out completely dishonest. Let me illustrate your insane reasoning.

    Greeting someone or starting a conversation with someone or even asking them out on a date etc is not harassment or sexual harassment. it's when it is clear the other is not interested by turning you down or not engaging and you keep pursuing is harassment.

    You had the absolutely LUDRICOUS nerve to erroneously refer to the example of a man who immediately made sexual advances on someone. this proves the disingenuousness of your supposition. no decent person starts out their engagment/interaction with another person and especially stranger that way by immediately making sexually explicit remarks, sexual jokes and especially touching. there is only one reason and that is predatorial. not because they didn't know but simply because they don't care what the other person thinks or feels and they are trying to see if they can get away with it.

    and i see that immoral strangerinastrangeland liked your post. i totally read that member right and therefore have no regrets about being rude to them because people with your values are even ruder. birds of a feather support eachother. lmao
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hey birch, consider maybe just pointing out where their arguments are wrong. You don't really need to heap all the abusive epithets on top of that. They illuminate nothing about the target, but they do hurt your credibility.
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i was demonstrating there is a choice. i made that choice and knew i was going to get infraction points. the lie is that there are no choices. though there are some things we don't have choices over, we still do have choices in our behavior.

    the point being, if you make that choice, you should have to pay the consequences for it. not just use the excuse, you are what you are. so is everyone but some try and some never do. those who try to be better moral people should not be equated with those who don't try or even worse, find ethics a nuisance/inconvenience to what they want.
     
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  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    though there are gradients between sexual abusers. they are really filthy and not victims at all. this filthiness is not from lack, it's actually from being spoiled. how you know is because they have other coinciding traits which indicate a lack of self-discipline or sacrifice. they are lazy. they give into every decadence or urge. they tend to be greedy in everything so they over-indulge and overdo in just about everything. i noticed that about sexual abusers and sociopaths in general. they avoid self-discipline or self-abnegation or self-sacrifice or self-development. they definitely want the benefits of such effort but don't want to pay the price. this is why they use force.

    the reason why they like to degrade and pull someone else down is because these traits are not conducive to improving oneself so it makes them feel better if they degrade or humiliate someone else. if such a person has even more access to you, they will try to keep you down in every way possible.

    the amount of perversion is unbelievably filthy. i would never be able to conceive of being that low or it was possible to be that depraved. people like that are born that way as in those who 'think' of ways to be that depraved. strangely enough, it's because they are exceedingly selfish to the point it's amazingly lame in it's extent.

    the sickest part of my abuser was that because i had higher standards than him, in his mind he considered himself my equal as a romantic partner because that is what he wanted to be (at least his ego), even though he wasn't. whatever society deems better standards, not that it's even their true ideals but only because it is a vehicle of ego satisfaction. even your good qualities are not admired either, even if that's one of the reasons they want to associate with you. you are a total object to them. it had nothing to do with actually caring for you or respecting you. i have never met a man who competed with me like the stepfather. i have detected that to some degree but not to that extent. i didn't know it was possible for a man to be jealous of a female and try to compete. it's like how dare you leave me behind or reject me, you aren't better than me, i will pull you down or i will be better than you. but it's all based on hostility. it's something about you that is getting their sense of inadequacy going and you will be punished or tortured.

    so even if his effect and influence was dehumazing and degrading, it was okay to him. he is not harmed in the exchange. when you are dealing with someone whose nature is lower in comparison than yours, the harm and damage will be experienced by only one and that is the one with the better nature.
     
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  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's a reasonable definition. The problem is that that some recipients are more sensitive than others and some "harassers" are less sensitive than others. She might not want him going out of his way to say, "Good morning," every day. He might not take the hint after she turns him down twice.

    And as I pointed out, that is the extreme end of the spectrum. You are ignoring the rest of the spectrum. Your argument is the equivalent of claiming that the only form of assault is murder.
     
  10. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    What do you thin in your righteous mind about this
    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nationwide-massage-therapy-franchise-facing-hundreds-sexual-
    With nearly 1,200 locations across the country, a reported 1.65 million monthly members, and a 67% grasp on the day spa market, Massage Envy is a behemoth in both the franchise industry and in strip-mall massage therapy. Even with those astounding metrics, the hundreds of allegations of sexual assault should raise more than an eyebrow in review. Additionally, the reporting done by BuzzFeed, and the stories from the women who have come forward depict a company struggling to protect its customers in the face of these crimes.

    Despite the difference in timing and location, the women’s stories all bear striking similarities. They were loyal customers — Massage Envy is based on a monthly membership model — who considered a trip to the spa as a welcome respite from their busy lives. In the midst of what seemed like a routine appointment, the women realized they were being assaulted and, when trying to report the crimes to police, found both local management reluctant to cooperate and a parent company reluctant to intervene.

    Rather than referring reports within their spas to law enforcement, it appears there has been a pattern of attempting to respond to customers so they don’t call the police. As one former manager explained to BuzzFeed, “[The internal review policy is] in place to protect the company. It’s centered around defusing the situation so the client doesn’t call the police. You don’t want cop cars showing up at your location the next day.”

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  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You really like trawling for these prurient media stories, don't you? They do not make any valid point, so far as I can see. I've now had enough of them, and of you on this subject.
     
  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    No more comments sorry.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Good example of criminals getting away with a crime for a short time.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    notice the female officers violating the law as well with no care for the female either.



    boy raped in prison by adults



    he knows he is being filmed but not concerned.



    he mishandled or minimized assault cases.



    then you have sluts like this because that's what they are, sluts point blank, that have no problems with sexual harassment or have any sense of sexual boundaries to the point they will engage in any type of the sickest porn from rape scenarios to underage scenarios to being with multitudes of random men which give a false impression to men in general that women do not care who they are with sexually at all. so men project that onto the rest of the population as the norm. not all women are like this and so sexual harassers need to find women like this because they exist and stop hounding women that are not. you just have to pay for them, that's all.

    just because someone is part of law enforcement, does not mean they are ethical people themselves. also, just because someone is a woman does not mean they have ethics or care about women's rights either.

    this is a sick, depraved and evil universe and anyone that has lived in this world for a time and doesn't realize that, there is something wrong with you or you are like these people who think it's okay.
     
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  15. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    If someone is OK with this kind of interaction, then it's not sexual harassment. There is consent. Please stop the slut shaming.
     
  16. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    We have, apparently, reached the point where consent is impossible because of power disparity (because, lets face it, there will always be some sort of power disparity between two parties... unless, of course, they are perhaps identical twins?)

    Yes, I realize that is taking it to the nth degree... but I think we've jumped the shark long ago.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That's not the norm, that's just a disproportionately loud faction of intellectuals.

    The norm is toleration of continual and damaging abuse, to the point of denial - refusal to witness and acknowledge its existence. That is the oppressive absurdity that has cracked the shell.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And not all men are one way, either. That's the key.
    Or find ones that just want to do it.
    Sure, there are parts that are sick and depraved, and parts that are great. The trick is choosing which parts you want to live in, and then working to make that happen.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    There are, of course, cases where consent is impossible. Being impaired by drugs or alcohol, having someone in a position of power over you "ask" you to do something, being mentally incompetent, being lied to. But those are (fortunately) rare when it comes to the total number of relationships out there. For the most part, consent is quite possible.
     

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