Sexual harassment

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by timojin, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. timojin Valued Senior Member

    You know it all. every male is wrong and no matter what we do we harass the female .

    would it be better if we, male would be eunuchs ?
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    I once called a certain fool impressionable and gullible, and got a rap on the knuckles over it. I will now add to that red neck racist and sexist pig. and adding to that purposely dishonest, dumb stupid, and extremely "gormless", although I admit I had to check out the meaning of that word...but it adequately fills the bill.
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  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

    Come on it ain't that difficult!
    If you are in a work environment ANY level of flirting is inappropriate.
    If you are in a social environment flirting or pursuing someone is ok UNLESS you are in a position of authority over that person.
    If the person you are pursuing asks you to stop in any way - leave them alone.

    Well, in your case....
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    I'm just curious if you have never encountered this discussion before it occurred to you to ask.

    It's just that at some point I really do wonder about a strange phenomenon in which people need to address issues as if they have no clue about it or even why they're asking.

    No, burkas don't help; as has been pointed out, they can easily make things worse.

    The problem with a word like "inspire" is that, setting aside the myth that there is anything a woman can wear that doesn't "inspire" any man, anywhere, or even the observable reality that if there was such a thing we would simply hold it against her for wearing it, we're still left with the fact that the man in your description apparently has some sort of problem that he needs to take care of. This problem is not a woman's to attend, and should not be hers to repair.
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

    timojin is referring to additional temptation but that's their problem. when i walk by a bank, i don't salivate at the thought of all that money in there and blame them for any thoughts of the temptation of money. lol

    but yeah, as if men aren't aware that underneath anyone's clothing that there is someone in their birthday suit. as if men are fooled or oblivious to anatomy by clothing. lmao

    timojin forgets women in history did not wear revealing clothing like today yet it did not stop rape and sexual abuse or exploitation of women or children. or even men.
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Because the culprit, here, is the predator.
    We stop the crime; we don't put the responsibility upon a law-abiding citizen to have to give up their freedoms, just so others don't have to control themselves. That is not a free society - that's oppression.
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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Point of order:
    If this were one of the science fora, and someone asked a naive question, surely we would not immediately stoop to abuse and name-calling.
    OK, so we all know the answer, but the OP has come here seeking answers. Isn't this a discussion forum?

    The world is a big place, and people come in all forms. I don't know anything about politics or economics. If I asked a naive question about either of those, would I suffer the slings and arrows of people before getting an answer? Must we lead off with slagging?

    These are rhetorical questions. They won't stop anyone from treating another however their character permits. That's on each of us as individuals.
  11. birch Valued Senior Member

    another thing about sexual harassers i've dealt with is they had some similar traits and one of them in all was weakness masquerading as machismo.

    women don't want a man that is weaker than her. men who are strong or willing to discipline themselves to legitimately develop good traits to share don't need to harass, coerce, or force. intelligent women can read harassers as desperation soley motivated by a false ego and worse entitled, the demand for something one does not deserve, earned or developed in themselves to match the other party so it's not unfairly balanced.

    there is something that can best be described as a cheater mentality to all of them. there is a refusal of honest self-evaluation or reflection. even if they have little to nothing to offer or even if they have terrible qualities or would be damaging to the other, they don't care as long as they benefit and the other loses or does not benefit from the association.

    one very common but socially acceptable meme is how older men tend to think that it's perfectly legitimate to be with a woman that is young enough to be their child or grandchild in age. if it's mutual and she is of legal age, it's okay technically. of course. but make no mistake, it still doeesn't mean you aren't a fuking creep.

    the entitled and obnoxious part is revealed when women their own age is judged and viewed as less attractive so not worthy of them yet they are somehow worthy of someone much younger than themselves. hmm.. that's disgustingly selfish actually but okay.
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  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

    Oh you righteous one, Have you ever in your life made a pass to a female ? Where I grew up I went to a bordello to drain my testosterone . Here in this righteous nation .
    you, have to get married or force your way, fortunately the female here are more promiscuous so some will acomodate and some will push you away by force .
    If you think the education makes moral people that suppress their sexual desire, you are a dreamer.
    Look at your presidents from way back , they got mistresses , ask the question was it by influence or by power and you don't have to look for presidents ,by the way ( Baiden had secret also while in congress ) the great Charles Ross I believe there are many many more men who touched tits buts and much more, fortunately for them the women are in silence.
    So I say the degree of predator act will in a male as long he has productive testicles unless he is a homosexual. I am sure women are flattered when man makes its advances , because at that point she is the one in power over the man , and if the man is gentle , she will get the juice out of hi.
  13. birch Valued Senior Member

    you got this completely wrong. there is plenty of sex out there to have and with consent too. no man really is that desperate. he chooses to create a level of desperation based on what he is trying to attain.

    there are actually a lot of women who are slutty and some don't even have a problem with concepts such as rape either. the women you see in pornos are really not rare. there are also lots of women advertising themselves everywhere online for casual sex with strangers etc.

    sexual harassers, overall, aren't looking for women like this to harass. they don't want mutuality because they don't gain while the other loses. they 'get off' on the challenge of making someone else uncomfortable, going after someone who is inappropriate, who doesn't want them, who doesn't fit them etc.

    perverts like the chaste female just for the challenge of corrupting. an ugly pervert may want to hit on someone more attractive than themselves. a stupid pervert may want to hit on someone more intelligent. a weak pervert may want to hit on a stronger woman or try to tear a confident woman down etc.
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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    If this was posted by one or two others, I would probably take some objection to it. Obviously you have shown throughout your time here and which I have observed, adherence to the quality you mention and which I respect.
    But I do have a question for your comment/s...
    In my opinion here we have a poster who has continually shown that he seems to support racism, sexism while also preaching at being a God fearing individual.
    Add to that the many questions he has asked in "science" without apparently any intention of accepting a scientific answer, and of course his general anti science comments.
    That to me represents someone who with regards to the supposed question at hand, has asked it not for any real purpose or enlightenment, but to promote his usual questionable standards.
    It also seems to me that like a Leopard, he has no intention of changing his spots. He is what he is. hence the " objectionable" comments.
  15. Bells Staff Member

    Every male who harass women is wrong.

    Do you have a problem with that?

    I mean, look at how you even address us. "The female".. Says a lot, to be honest.

    Sexual harassment does not come from the penis, timojin. It stems from their brain.

    Most men and women have made passes, timojin. Sexual harassment happens when one does not take no for an answer.

    Actually, it was to drain your semen from your gonads.

    But it's interesting that you paid money to objectify and use women, don't you think?

    No nation is righteous.

    Alternatively, as with all civilised societies, you can respect the woman as a human being and go about your day.

    Is this a difficult concept for you to understand?

    Actually, education is about teaching respect and understanding that women are equals and deserving of respect, for starters.

    I take it you were off sick that day?

    Timojin, you are in absolutely no position to judge anyone.

    Are women silent when it comes to sexual harassment? Yes, the greater majority do not speak up for fear of abuse, further harassment, threats of all sorts. And that is the tragedy. The bigger tragedy is that men feel the need to treat women that way.

    Not really, no. If a man is brought up to believe that women are beneath him, then he will have little respect for women. A larger portion of men in society are able to not harass women. Do you understand what that means?

    You have a very dim view of women, and men, for that matter.

    Frankly, going by what you have been spouting in this thread, you what we complain about.

    It's not about power over another, timojin. It is about respect. Something you are yet to learn when it comes to "females".

    I mean, you speak to and about women as though we are cattle for breeding. Objects.. Not exactly human beings. So to you, it is about power, about control, about dominance. And that is the problem we now face in general in society. To wit, too many men think and behave as you do.

    You know, he might have gotten a pass if he was naive. But timojin has exhibited a pattern of behaviour towards women in the past that would make the greater majority of men and women nauseous. His OP was not a naive question, or an innocent one. It was an OP that was designed to apportion blame to the victims of sexual harassment. That it is up to us to not be sexually harassed, because apparently the men should not be expected to control themselves or treat us like human beings. Why do you think he posed that question as he did? About women wearing burqa's?

    The question was never posed in regards to men not sexually harassing women. The question was posed in regards to what women should do, to not be harassed. Hence the burqa question, whether if we wear it, it would stop sexual harassment. Because it's our fault. Because we are "promiscuous", we show flesh in how we dress, we "flirt", etc.. He has placed the onus on us. His OP was intended to blame the victims. And you think we should treat him like a naive child and pander?

    Read his later posts.. As though it is the men who are the victims of the women who "get the juice" out of the gentle men, as though we use and abuse.

    You are right, this is a discussion forum. But there are limits to how we discuss any subject with someone who never intended to discuss it in good faith to begin with and started off with that OP and then went on as he has been. When it comes to someone who then went on to say that where he grew up, he paid women for sex, to "drain his testosterone" (which can mean several different things), and then said that men either have to take by force or get married and that luckily, women here are "promiscuous", so we can push men away.. And you think he is naive? Really?

    I don't think he is the one who is naive.

    As I said, if someone starts a thread like this with the full intent of blaming the victim, then he is not posting in good faith and yeah, people find that offensive and will respond in kind.
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Point of order: Submission to naïveté is still submission.

    Honestly, dude, I challenge. At some point it just seems absolutely unbelievable.

    If I asked you why everything needs to be reserved to unreal circumstantial vacuums, would that question have any meaning to you?

    The burka question has a commonly known answer.

    The question of inspiration can only find psychomoral mitigation in potential linguistic confusion if we recognize "inspire" as a poor translation or substitute for "arouse"; otherwise, it's even more foul a question than the usual assignation. You and others have made the point about responsibility. In the context of the average person, just how low a bar are we setting that such a naked and uninformed reiteration of traditional stupidity is to be received as an utterly earnest question innocent of its most obvious problems?

    No, seriously, how many times do you think people should fall for that bit, Dave?

    No, really: How many times?

    How many times do we need to pretend offensive stupidity is just innocent naïveté?

    No, seriously, dude: Years later, you still want people to pretend they haven't learned a damn thing?

    A'ight, then.
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Pure Borat.
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Sadly, it is an unfortunate condition of human nature. 1 of many.

  19. birch Valued Senior Member

    this is the elephant that is ignored which answers this totally. consider rapists: why don't they just go to a bordello? or why don't they just find a mutual relationship with another consenting female? and i don't want to hear it's because they are unattractive because there are all kinds of females out there just like there are all types of men so it's not true. even the most unattractive men can find a woman who is into them.

    why don't they just take more constructive avenues? because they don't want to. it's not about need. they want to commit an offense, they want to hurt someone and they are sadists who get off on taking advantage or degrading or humiliating someone.

    in the cases of pedophilia, there was this one case on the news where they were analyzing the mindset of a man who had a wife and kids and he had kidnapped a young girl, raped and killed her and dumped her body in a ditch.

    really? people really want to believe it's because this person couldn't get sex? really?

    or more like predators enjoy predator/prey scenarios. there is nothing to humilate, hurt, degrade etc if it's mutual, is it?

    think about it.
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  20. birch Valued Senior Member

    or how about the ridiculous but true case of this pervert who had mirrors on his shoes and would walk by women's restroom stalls. i can't remember the exact details but is that really necessary? couldn't he just have bought himself a playboy or hustler if he wants to see naked women or go to a strip club or go to a brothel?

    or just develop a relationship for himself with another female?

    perverts want to predate. if it's not wrong or offensive, they are not getting off.

    they like the idea of forcing themselves on someone that doesn't want them.

    consider the word, 'violation'. that is the key motive to harassment and the reason even if its not always apparent. you can't violate in a consenting or mutual situation or party.
  21. timojin Valued Senior Member

    Do you mean boring ,is because you have your own history while been in upper position ?
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Hmm. I've been working for 25 years and haven't harassed any women. It's really not that hard.
    I didn't get married until I was 40 - and had a lot of relationships before then. Never "forced my way."
    Not any more.
    Hmm. I've never been a predator. I've initiated some of the relationships I've had; sometimes the woman has. And from the existing evidence, my gonads seem to be working.

    I guess we are very different people.

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