Sex for pleasure

That's my point: I don't really *need* anything. I often feel I'd like a girlfriend (a real relationship, not a temporary sex partner) - but I know from experience that there are things I'm much more likely to be successful at, so I focus on those instead.

No you're not. So-called "players" and "sluts" (not meant derogatively - just for lack of better terms) have always been around. They may be louder/draw more attention to themselves, but that doesn't necessarily make them the norm. Not that I really care what the statistics look like.

 

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I suppose you are correct!

It depresses me, all this get get get get get.

It is also possible to give, to improve the good in general.

I suppose it reminded me of an issue me and Mr. Morris supported some time in the past, and I molded your statement into an attack on that. Sorry

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Well as Ron helped me realize, I was turning this discussion into a philosophical problem (or psychological) that would have quickly gone completely off-topic.

Edit: To be honest, I never actually read the first post of this thread to know what it is that we suppose to discuss

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Well that would have helped

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I like to mix sex with psychology and philosophy.
I find that it doesn't hurt to do so, to come to terms with what really goes on.
Better that way than like sex is animal, beastly, not the sort of thing for a really intelligent person to attempt.
Sex is a big part of life. Look at how much of the internet is sex.
Sex matters. It makes a difference.

--- Ron.

 

I might accept it if I knew what a reductio ad absurdum was.

 

I think I do that too. Sex should also be fun though.

 

Most people do this, whether they want to or not. That's because for most of us, much more than being a simple biological function, sex and it's aftermath shapes our identity.

 

Well you're probably young and there's no harm in taking your time

I didn't mean so much as sleeping around, more in terms of expectations from a relationship.

 

I'm 19

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I'm big and old and wise and grown up and mature and as experienced as I'll ever be and ...

I'm no expert, but your expectations seemed perfectly normal to me - not idealistic or old-fashioned. Just saying.

 

I knew so much more when I was 19 than I do now.

The lost causes and broken hearts were all somebody else's fault.

--- Ron.

 

Sounds like mental retardation and arrogance

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Well I'm 36 and I used to feel old at 16 but now I'm growing younger everyday, so you will too. Just B positive.

Well in my experience ( limited though it may be

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), thats the feeling I always had. Used to feel out of step in the beginning, but I grew into my skin and I'm pretty comfortable with it now. Probably depends on the kind of people you meet too I guess; I grew up in a major metropolis, so that may have factored into it.

 

You probably recovered from them pretty fast too I bet.

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Afraid not.

I used to run away from the pain, and the more I ran away the more it followed me around.

Only recently did I learn to run back at it.

--- Ron.

 

So what do you think of the sex for pleasure approach; you said there was not this sense of difficulty when you were younger. So what do you see so different now?

 

A terrible lack of practical initiative.

The spoon-fed generation.

--- Ron.

 

I get the spoon fed, what do you mean by practical initiative? The fact that they seem to live for the present, without thought of the future?

 

The Beatles split up, frequenters of San Francisco bath-houses suddenly started becoming very ill and thus the permissive generation became the AIDS generation.

Also, I think women are more wary of being tagged with certain labels these days (in my experience the tagging is done more by other women than by men).

 

It follows from spoon-fed.

If it is not immediately there to be had, they don't go look.

When I was young the old were pragmatic and the young were the dreamers. Now it is the other way around.

--- Ron.